Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:09 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16502 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [markcincinnati]
Aug 23, 2013 (12:45 pm)
"Perhaps you should amend that by adding . . .that they would export to the US (and probably some other regions as well.) Although my last visit to Germany was in 2006, I have been there about 25 times and several times I have rented (from Avis or Hertz, etc) cars for part of my time in Europe -- primarily so that I can drive on the Autobahn. "
Nah, I wont amend what I wrote, since I wasn't talking about what could be had in Europe, v. here. We know that BMW build a 316i gasser stripped...
I was talking about allow us as in the US, to be able to build a true sport sedan. The current M sport package is a start, but I'm more talking about like the ZPH package that I had in my 330i, close ratio transmission, higher revving engine, more HP, better suspension bigger rims and tires. Allow us to order a 335i with a ZPH package. No leather, No Nav, no Sunroof, no power windows, increase HP to 320hp and have the price at 46K. So the same thing with the 328i, have price aat 36K or so. Bring back the true sport sedan, Do not allow it to come with an Auto or is it does make a DSG type in the M3... You can still sell the yuppie cars but do not discard the people wanting a true sport sedan.
#16503 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [flightnurse]
Aug 23, 2013 (3:42 pm)
I did find it annoying the XXX number iS models from BMW are only available in Coupes, and those have the 320 HP or so your looking for right? Why not have an IS version of the 335? 335is in sedan, not just coupe.
#16504 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [andres3]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Aug 24, 2013 (4:40 am)
graphicguy had the dealer apply the performance engine update to his 335i for around $600, I think..
Presto! 320 HP!!
#16505 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [andres3]
Aug 24, 2013 (4:59 am)
I think the "is" is available on coupe only because it is old E90 platform. It used to be available on sedan as well, but they switched the platforms. New 4-series won't have "is" trim just yet, either.
The "is" trim is usually a mid-cycle refresh gimmick to maintain sales and buzz on models that are no longer "all new", to keep them running. IIRC, it wasn't available on the new platform with 330i right away, either. Then when they brought the turbo six engine (335i), it wasn't there either until some time has passed. If the patterns were to repeat, we should see (hopefully) some "is" trims available on the new F30 platform, as the novelty wears off. It (the novelty) already has passed for sedans, but you still have brand new wagon, GT, 328 diesel, 320, the 4-series coupe coming just in 2013, /2014 season. The convertible is next, I'm sure. Once the entire lineup is complete, the sedan will come with a refreshed look, as it always does and some additional stuff, to keep the interest and push early lessee adopters from 2012 to getting into 2015/16. I think that would be a perfect time for them to introduce the "is" trim on F3x lineup.
All manufacturers try to spoonfeed their new stuff, so there is always something to talk about. BMW actually brought a lot of new models this year, so they'll wait with incremental improvements until they see buzz dying off.
#16506 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [kyfdx@Edmunds]
Aug 24, 2013 (5:22 am)
[i]graphicguy had the dealer apply the performance engine update to his 335i for around $600, I think..
Presto! 320 HP!![/i]
I still think BMW is underrating that 3.0 twin scroll turbo motor....just like Audi is doing with their S/C 3.0.
Both are putting out more power than they officially publish.
#16507 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [kyfdx@Edmunds]
Aug 24, 2013 (7:05 am)
"graphicguy had the dealer apply the performance engine update to his 335i for around $600, I think..
Presto! 320 HP!!"
Didn't Graphic have the 335is which had the 320hp engine?
So, BMW has the "is" model which comes with performance improvements already, however, there is a price to pay for that too!!
#16508 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [graphicguy]
Aug 24, 2013 (7:08 am)
It's been reported by a couple of vendors that the 3l engine is making roughly 330hp, but I also think that BMW has always underrated their engines, my 330 with "only 235hp" was faster then some cars with 80 + HP.I'm sure the close ratio transmission had something to do with it.
#16509 of 16985 Re: BMW 320i [flightnurse]
Aug 24, 2013 (8:27 am)
FN...nope. Mine was the 335i with the performance pack (firmware) upgrade. The 335is also had some minor suspension and wheel tweaks.
adnres....good deal on the S4. I might have missed it, but have you already bought it? Or, are you just working on the "deal"?
Mark.....don't disagree with any of what you have to say. If I were in the market for an SUV, the Q5 would be at the top of the list.
That said, I tcompare the two Audi dealerships in my 'burg to my BMW dealership, and there's a night and day difference with the advantage going to BMW. Even when I had my Acura, my preferred dealer took very good care of me.
As I mentioned previously, it might have been because I bought my S4 in Chicago and am having it serviced in Cincinnati. But, I really don't buy into a dealership treating you better if you buy the car from them. Warranty work is paid the same regardless. And, let's face it, service work has a whole lot more margin than new car sales.
I think the training, the time spent understanding the cars, the amount of time spent daily focused on customer service (or lack thereof) becomes evident in the way they take care of your problems.
Your Acura dealership experience would have prompted me to send a strongly worded letter to Acura corporate. Your car is what? A year old? And already has warped rotors? I call that a defect in materials and covered under warranty. It's not like you have 50K miles on one set of pads which are totally worn away.
#16510 of 16985 iS Re: BMW 320i [andres3]
Aug 24, 2013 (2:44 pm)
'I did find it annoying the XXX number iS models from BMW are only available in Coupes, and those have the 320 HP or so...'
If the sedan 335 had been available in 'iS' form
that is what I would have chosen in 2011.
Turned mine in recently & walked away from the brand..
#16511 of 16985 Re: iS Re: BMW 320i [rayainsw]
Aug 24, 2013 (8:26 pm)
You should have put a Dinan sticker on your rear deck. It adds 30 hp.