Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 8:41 AM
You are in the Sedans
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16443 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [graphicguy]
Aug 19, 2013 (7:42 am)
I saw an article last week...maybe just a blurb about the recent uptick in the U.S. auto industry, so can't remember the source. But, it went on to state that the new Lexus ES350, with supposedly more sporting pretensions, is suffering a significant sales decline, with the new model.
Not trying to do a call out but that blurb doesn't make sense as ES sales are up almost 80% year over year:
#16444 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [dino001]
Aug 19, 2013 (7:45 am)
I don't disagree that leather should be in a $40K car, but in an entry level luxury performance sedan, it's fine IMHO.
The real issue is that $40K is now BMW entry level....
#16445 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [igozoomzoom]
Aug 19, 2013 (7:53 am)
What does any of this have to do with ELPS besides the fact that it's just TMI to begin with?
#16446 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [robr2]
Aug 19, 2013 (9:07 am)
Leather SHOULD BE STANDARD at this price point.....otherwise it "ain't" luxury. I drove the new 328i when looking at my new TL, and I was not impressed to say the least. At least not for $46K......I also drove a LOADED 2011 328i CPO with 16K miles and I walked away thinking , "wow for $31K (asking) , I can purchased the better 328i. Darn, that is a lot of depreciation for a two year old car"
I honestly believe these 320i are being marketed to those people who want to be seeing in a BMW. $40 Grand is a lot of money for what you get. I think the new Mercedes is priced even better. Not to mention my TL or my old G37. I can't imagine these 320i are selling well and I wonder how the new 328i are selling when compared to old ones
#16447 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [mrminsky1]
Aug 19, 2013 (9:26 am)
Benz has the same problems, or even worse. Their leather is even more expensive and even fewer C-class cars have it. The MB-Tex, or whatever it is called is a nice fake leather, so dealers order majority of those C250 and even C300, or C350 with those seats. At least in case of 328 and 335, majority get premium package, which has leather. Kind of sad. I'm hoping that when the novelty wears off, which should be soon enough, in couple of years they'll start adding leather as one of those "no cost options", or at some lower price, call it "value package", or similar. Something like that seems to be going on already in other areas, most cars get "build credit", which I'm not sure what it means, but smells to me like a simple cash rebate.
#16448 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [dino001]
Aug 19, 2013 (9:35 am)
At least in case of 328 and 335, majority get premium package, which has leather. Kind of sad. I'm hoping that when the novelty wears off, which should be soon enough, in couple of years they'll start adding leather as one of those "no cost options", or at some lower price, call it "value package", or similar.
I doubt it. This is BMW's business model. They lure you in with (relatively) reasonable base prices, but EVERYTHING is an additional cost option. One of the reasons I bought an A4 years ago rather than the BMW of the time was that the Audi had a lot of things standard. on the BMW: leather - extra cost; certain paints - extra cost; even a folding rear seat - extra cost.
#16449 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [tlong]
Aug 19, 2013 (9:46 am)
Well, it actually happened to a degree in the second half of E9x series. They had number of accommodations, like no-cost automatic (it was $1000, IIRC when it started) and at the very end leather became complimentary no-cost option (part of value package). This was last year or two, though, I think if I remember it correctly. BTW, folding rear seat became standard on 328 and 335 (woohoo!). It is still $500 option on 320.
#16450 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [mrminsky1]
Aug 19, 2013 (9:46 am)
I honestly believe these 320i are being marketed to those people who want to be seeing in a BMW.
You don't have to believe that's the case because it is the case. I'd guess that more than 90% of BMW sales are to those who care mostly about the badge. The roundel could be placed onto a Corolla and they could sell them for $35K.
#16451 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [robr2]
Aug 19, 2013 (10:25 am)
The roundel could be placed onto a Corolla and they could sell them for $35K.
I don't think that's fair, but it is not as unfair, as I would like it to be.
#16452 of 16982 Re: BMW 320i [robr2]
Aug 19, 2013 (11:58 am)
The New Mercedes I was thinking of is the CLA which will be front wheel drive vehicle and priced at about $34K nicely equipped . I do not have anything against BMW other that their pricing model which is is absolutely ridiculous. many of their models are indeed fun driving machines. However, I would only buy one as a CPO with the idea of driving it for a few years or a killer lease, Anyone who pays $35K and up for a 320i will be taking a bath later on. If I am looking at a premium brand, will take a TL , A G37, or a Lexus any day depending on on the kind of ride desire. Every time I have walk into a BMW to look at any of their SUV or Cars , I always walked away thinking how little you get for the money.
Even the new MAZDA 6 probably drives better than the 320i for $15K less.......