Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 8:41 AM
You are in the Sedans
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16311 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [nyccarguy]
Jun 26, 2013 (7:33 am)
nyc....billy....I mentioned that I just helped my sister buy a TL SH AWD Advance. I had forgotten how really GOOD they are. It seems Acura made some running engineering changes along the way that most wouldn't detect, unless you had an earlier model to compare it to. Given that you can buy one at a decent discount, it would be hard to be in the near luxury market and not seriously consider one.
While I liked the pre -'12 design, I admit the redesign makes the current TL one of the classiest looking cars on the market, currently. Add in the torque vectoring rear giving it high handling limits, and the comfort of the sports seats, and the quality of the materials, and the high build quality, and the great stereo, the uber smooth drivetrain, MPG (She last told me she's getting 22 MPG in town and 28 MPG on the highway), etc. I found it very competitive.
My sister bought hers for right around $40, give or take. That's a whole lot of car/performance for that kind of money. My S4 ran $10K+ over that amount and the TL SH AWD isn't that far off the performance mark (except acceleration, where the S4 will smoke many muscle cars, and the DSG trans).
I think "markincinnati" pointed out that he went from an Audi to the TL. At first, I kind of scoffed. But, given the test drive I did with my sister and the TL upgrades, it makes perfect sense, now.
I'm thinking I have another couple of years on my Audi S4 before I start to look again.
The TL(X) will be released in 2015. It's been seen in testing areas under heavy camo. The TSX is going away. My guess is end of this year someone will see one without camo, and release will come roughly 12 months from now.
Given Acura's move towards their 4 wheel steering with the RLX, and the way they take incremental steps in powertrain upgrades, I'm thinking they keep the 3.7, add direct injection, pump out another 10 HP and another 10 ft/lb. My hope is they keep the double wishbone instead of moving to coil overs.
Will I be a buyer? Not sure. Too far away to tell.
But, given what I know about the Benz, the Q, the BMW, Caddy, Audis, etc, I'll put the TL right there with them.
Billy....hard to go wrong with the A6. It is probably close to what you're used to with the TL, sizewise. That Audi 3.0 SC is a sweetheart of a motor, though. The TL 3.7L is fast and smooth too, however.
Good luck in your choice.
#16312 of 16982 Re: 2014 Lexus IS [rayainsw]
Jun 26, 2013 (9:50 am)
ray....thanks for the post. I had forgotten about the IS (maybe that's why Lexus is moving more towards Audi/BMW/Mercedes turf).
#16313 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [flightnurse]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:07 am)
HMC numbers included all aspects of the biz, farm machines to jet planes. Its tough to get a clean balance sheet on a corporation without using all product lines.
I can do a write up if you are as interested as billy was.
#16314 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [sweendogy]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:10 am)
sweendogy...you said I was mocking you. Not intentional, just handing out some of the same medicine you do. I actually agree with you about 90% of the time. Just didn't make sense this time. Cheers.
#16315 of 16982 Re: New Q50H [albanytim]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:15 am)
Total MSRP*$55,205- wow thats pricy actually- i also went to the site on the sport model if you want just nav you have to select tech as well - package increased by 4k or so - NO thanks- i'll wait until the reviews come out and the true market pricing levels are established- I hope they allow the tech to be a standalone option at some pt.
#16316 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [nyccarguy]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:21 am)
Car is a 2009 and its a purchase-8/17/09.
I know I dont need a new car right now but I have the summer itch- just wish the wife had it too.
#16317 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [m6user]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:22 am)
medicine not needed- again sales numbers tell a story- if a car is selling 50% less then they did 6 years ago its clearly not doing well. Plus throw in the avg selling price on such cars is lower then prime comp. Perfect sense to me. (both were backed up with fact, not opinion)
#16318 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [sweendogy]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:41 am)
You made a presumption that because the TL is heavily discounted that Acura, as a brand, was making little, if any, profit. I agree that they are taking a bath on the TL right now for many reasons probably none of which indicate that it is a bad car(not pretty but not bad). But, to extrapulate that out to state that the brand is not profitable is not fact...it is opinion or at best a WAG.
#16319 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [m6user]
Jun 26, 2013 (11:53 am)
You made a presumption that because the TL is heavily discounted that Acura, as a brand, was making little, if any, profit. I agree that they are taking a bath on the TL right now for many reasons probably none of which indicate that it is a bad car(not pretty but not bad).
I'll counter that the TL is probably still a very profitable profit for Acura/Honda. It's in it's 5th year of production so the tooling has been depreciated. They've perfected the manufacturing which drives down costs. All in all, it makes them plenty of money I'm sure.
#16320 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [m6user]
Jun 26, 2013 (12:33 pm)
is it my opionion thats based on sales of not just ONE car but 3 sedans and a ZDX.or 4 of 6 total products they produced in 2012.
- it has more value then someone presuming margins on suvs are higher then sedans - ok i get it and have read the same comment before, but you think them selling 10k more MDXs make up for them selling 60k less TLS, and those said TLS are selling at a 10% discount to MSRP vs comps of 5% ??
my original statement 5 years ago was acura is losing because of a stale product line- and it continues today