Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 7:58 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16302 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [igozoomzoom]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:55 pm)
Back to the current and near-future of Acura….the demise of the TSX will take a sedan AND wagon out of the lineup. Will the ILX, TLX and RLX sedans and RDX and MDX crossovers be enough to keep the brand viable and return it to actual relevance?
Acura needs to fix the appearance of the TL. It doesn't really matter if it performs well and has a nice interior, it is still ugly. I'm driving my '05 TL at 132K miles and I can tell you that I haven't the slightest interest in the new TL. My vintage TL IMHO was one of the nicer looking cars on the road and Acura screwed up big time in going from very handsome to butt ugly (or beak-ugly). Don't underestimate appearance, as few people want to invest that type of money and drive an ugly car.
Then there's the TSX - a car that went from sporty and handsome to not-as-ugly-as-the-TL, but bloated and not sharp handling any more. So Acura blew it on two of their top vehicles. That's a pretty sad story for a lineup that was a lot better 7 years ago than today.
Then again, Buick is doing well with less- a compact sedan (Verano), a sporty/performance-oriented mid-size sedan (Regal) and near-full-size sedan (LaCrosse) along with a large Crossover (Enclave) and mini-crossover (Encore). In particular, the Encore is a joke compared to the RDX and the LaCrosse is no RLX. But somehow, Buick is more desirable than Acura to most buyers….
Well, I'd say the Buicks are actually at least decent looking to attractive. Like I said, don't underestimate the power of ugly to ruin a brand. Buick is getting a lot better and Acura has gone the other direction. While I would never buy a Buick, I can see why they are improving relative to Acura.
#16303 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [tlong]
Jun 26, 2013 (5:02 am)
I passed on the generation TL you are driving because I thought Acura didnt do anything special from the 2nd generation. The car was still FWD with the horrific torque steer and the styling was just too on par with the Camry's and the Accords(no insults intended just my opinion). I had the 2nd generation Type S and talk about torque steer and horrible in the snow. When they did the mid year refresh with the Type S I was even more disappointed- talking about more Torque steer and horriblw wheels. The current generation sh-awd is worlds apart in driving dynamics to 3rd generation and I never been told that the car is ugly in almost four years of ownership.
White Diamond Pearl
Wood Steering Wheel
Wood Shift Knob
Back Up Sensors
A Whole lot of Zaino Shine
#16304 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 26, 2013 (5:50 am)
Sales flop or not, I've got a thing for the current generation TL (in SH AWD guise). I personally don't like "the beak" of the 2009 - 2011 MY, but think the rest of the car looks fantastic. The wheels, the faux quad tail pipes are 2 styling points that really "make" the car.
Sween - you are right that Acura took too long with the refresh or restyle.
When is the TL replacement coming? 2015 MY? Acura dealers are already "giving them away" at below invoice prices. Who knows what kind of rebates, conquest cash, trunk money, & cheap financing they will throw the TL's way once they decide to "fire sale" in the coming months.
#16305 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [nyccarguy]
Jun 26, 2013 (6:48 am)
"When is the TL replacement coming? 2015 MY? Acura dealers are already "giving them away" at below invoice prices. Who knows what kind of rebates, conquest cash, trunk money, & cheap financing they will throw the TL's way once they decide to "fire sale" in the coming months. "
My expectation is that the TL replacement (TLX?) will be introduced very early in calendar year 2014 as a 2015 model.
The recently announced 2013 TL Special Edition model (a 2013 model being introduced in June 2013 makes me wonder if there will be an official 2014 model) is the the kind of "high value" upgrade done to generate sales in a model's last days. The sticker price is only $1500 more than the 'Base' TL, but it adds-
Ebony leather interior with contrast stitching
18" 10-spoke Chrome-look alloy wheels
Keyless Access System w/ Push-Button Ignition
Body-colored decklid spoiler
Special Edition Badging
The wheels and spoiler really give the car a much nicer look. It only comes in four colors- Black, Pearl White, Silver and Graphite and all have the aforementioned Black Leather.
Rumor has it that they're going to run a $299/mo lease special on it...
#16306 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [nyccarguy]
Jun 26, 2013 (7:00 am)
Not following any news on the upcoming TL- Dont know if I want another but thats still up in the air. They have to wow me- beefing up low end torque, over 340 HP and formula 1 performance and handling . I like the 535/550 and A6/S6.
Time wil tell- only 24K on the TL.
#16307 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [igozoomzoom]
Jun 26, 2013 (7:02 am)
I'm going to purchase my next vehicle. Once the lease is up on my BMW, I want off of the "leasing hamster wheel."
#16308 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 26, 2013 (7:16 am)
With only 24K on your odometer (what year is your car again?), you really don't need a new car unless you want to buy one. Like you said, you need to be "wowed" because you do seem to be very happy with your current ride.
I'm going to try and constrain my automotive budget for my next purchase, but I might just be tempted on a "lame duck" TL SH AWD if the price is right. As long as its not black.
#16309 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 26, 2013 (7:16 am)
Hey Bill the numbers that Sweeny quoted, were they HMC, that included the motorcycle and motorsport division or just the car divisions (when I say Car's I'm talking Honda and Acura) ?
#16311 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [nyccarguy]
Jun 26, 2013 (7:33 am)
nyc....billy....I mentioned that I just helped my sister buy a TL SH AWD Advance. I had forgotten how really GOOD they are. It seems Acura made some running engineering changes along the way that most wouldn't detect, unless you had an earlier model to compare it to. Given that you can buy one at a decent discount, it would be hard to be in the near luxury market and not seriously consider one.
While I liked the pre -'12 design, I admit the redesign makes the current TL one of the classiest looking cars on the market, currently. Add in the torque vectoring rear giving it high handling limits, and the comfort of the sports seats, and the quality of the materials, and the high build quality, and the great stereo, the uber smooth drivetrain, MPG (She last told me she's getting 22 MPG in town and 28 MPG on the highway), etc. I found it very competitive.
My sister bought hers for right around $40, give or take. That's a whole lot of car/performance for that kind of money. My S4 ran $10K+ over that amount and the TL SH AWD isn't that far off the performance mark (except acceleration, where the S4 will smoke many muscle cars, and the DSG trans).
I think "markincinnati" pointed out that he went from an Audi to the TL. At first, I kind of scoffed. But, given the test drive I did with my sister and the TL upgrades, it makes perfect sense, now.
I'm thinking I have another couple of years on my Audi S4 before I start to look again.
The TL(X) will be released in 2015. It's been seen in testing areas under heavy camo. The TSX is going away. My guess is end of this year someone will see one without camo, and release will come roughly 12 months from now.
Given Acura's move towards their 4 wheel steering with the RLX, and the way they take incremental steps in powertrain upgrades, I'm thinking they keep the 3.7, add direct injection, pump out another 10 HP and another 10 ft/lb. My hope is they keep the double wishbone instead of moving to coil overs.
Will I be a buyer? Not sure. Too far away to tell.
But, given what I know about the Benz, the Q, the BMW, Caddy, Audis, etc, I'll put the TL right there with them.
Billy....hard to go wrong with the A6. It is probably close to what you're used to with the TL, sizewise. That Audi 3.0 SC is a sweetheart of a motor, though. The TL 3.7L is fast and smooth too, however.
Good luck in your choice.