Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 8:41 AM
You are in the Sedans
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16295 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 25, 2013 (1:05 pm)
billy we are talking billions not millions- lastly both tm and hM got govt subsidies that ended in 2012 as well.
honda revs- they dont just include car sales- kiddie talk- I would also look at the currency moves and see what they are doing to said revs- if you could cut and paste something i would love to read it. Prob learn a thing or 2 while cutting and pasting...
#16296 of 16982 Re: You've Got to Keep in Mind. . . [m6user]
Jun 25, 2013 (1:08 pm)
Let's just say you weren't the target demographic.
#16297 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [m6user]
Jun 25, 2013 (1:20 pm)
so just to confirm no "big profit" data availible- ok thanks- ill stick with the sales and pricing data as more of a guide because atleast its in print and not an opinion
#16298 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [sweendogy]
Jun 25, 2013 (1:50 pm)
ok I am out.
As another poster would say- "Happy Motoring".
Jun 25, 2013 (3:35 pm)
This sounds like a very nice package.
"Opting for the 2014 Infiniti Q50 Hybrid will get the buyer a powertrain consisting of a 3.5-liter V6, a 50kW electric motor and a lithium ion battery that offers up a total power output of 354 hp and a highway fuel mileage rating of 36 miles per gallon, all for a starting price of $44,855, which includes the Premium group. The most expensive version of the new sedan is the Q50S Hybrid with all-wheel drive. That model carries an MSRP of $49,055."
Above was copied from an article on Autoblog.com.
I think the Q50H with AWD would be around $46,655. I think I read someplace that the H version would also be the fastest. Don't know what sacrifices(if any) they made for the hybrid MPG like tires, brakes etc.
#16300 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 25, 2013 (4:20 pm)
Btw hmc on a chart does look interesting.
#16301 of 16982 Re: New Q50H [m6user]
Jun 25, 2013 (8:37 pm)
You can build a Q50 on the Infiniti site under Future Vehicles. The Hybrid AWD is $46,405 but there are 2 option packages (Nav and Tech) that take it to $52,805 including destination. The Sport version is another $2,400 to $55,205.
#16302 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [igozoomzoom]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:55 pm)
Back to the current and near-future of Acura….the demise of the TSX will take a sedan AND wagon out of the lineup. Will the ILX, TLX and RLX sedans and RDX and MDX crossovers be enough to keep the brand viable and return it to actual relevance?
Acura needs to fix the appearance of the TL. It doesn't really matter if it performs well and has a nice interior, it is still ugly. I'm driving my '05 TL at 132K miles and I can tell you that I haven't the slightest interest in the new TL. My vintage TL IMHO was one of the nicer looking cars on the road and Acura screwed up big time in going from very handsome to butt ugly (or beak-ugly). Don't underestimate appearance, as few people want to invest that type of money and drive an ugly car.
Then there's the TSX - a car that went from sporty and handsome to not-as-ugly-as-the-TL, but bloated and not sharp handling any more. So Acura blew it on two of their top vehicles. That's a pretty sad story for a lineup that was a lot better 7 years ago than today.
Then again, Buick is doing well with less- a compact sedan (Verano), a sporty/performance-oriented mid-size sedan (Regal) and near-full-size sedan (LaCrosse) along with a large Crossover (Enclave) and mini-crossover (Encore). In particular, the Encore is a joke compared to the RDX and the LaCrosse is no RLX. But somehow, Buick is more desirable than Acura to most buyers….
Well, I'd say the Buicks are actually at least decent looking to attractive. Like I said, don't underestimate the power of ugly to ruin a brand. Buick is getting a lot better and Acura has gone the other direction. While I would never buy a Buick, I can see why they are improving relative to Acura.
#16303 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [tlong]
Jun 26, 2013 (5:02 am)
I passed on the generation TL you are driving because I thought Acura didnt do anything special from the 2nd generation. The car was still FWD with the horrific torque steer and the styling was just too on par with the Camry's and the Accords(no insults intended just my opinion). I had the 2nd generation Type S and talk about torque steer and horrible in the snow. When they did the mid year refresh with the Type S I was even more disappointed- talking about more Torque steer and horriblw wheels. The current generation sh-awd is worlds apart in driving dynamics to 3rd generation and I never been told that the car is ugly in almost four years of ownership.
White Diamond Pearl
Wood Steering Wheel
Wood Shift Knob
Back Up Sensors
A Whole lot of Zaino Shine
#16304 of 16982 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 26, 2013 (5:50 am)
Sales flop or not, I've got a thing for the current generation TL (in SH AWD guise). I personally don't like "the beak" of the 2009 - 2011 MY, but think the rest of the car looks fantastic. The wheels, the faux quad tail pipes are 2 styling points that really "make" the car.
Sween - you are right that Acura took too long with the refresh or restyle.
When is the TL replacement coming? 2015 MY? Acura dealers are already "giving them away" at below invoice prices. Who knows what kind of rebates, conquest cash, trunk money, & cheap financing they will throw the TL's way once they decide to "fire sale" in the coming months.