Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 7:58 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16279 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [igozoomzoom]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:20 am)
My prior ride was an 2005 Abyss Blue Acura TL. Other than not so good in the snow (until I bought it snow shoes), what a great all around ride! Simple, handsome exterior, I still think it looks good. Power, handling, good ride, decent mpg, nice interior, well built and reliable. 6.5 years, 85,000 trouble free, Zaino-shiny miles.
When the '09 came out, I was pretty shocked and upset at the path the Acura stylists had taken. While I may be no arbiter of style, I was fairly sure Acura was going to take a hit on TL sales. Of course, the Beak being the most obvious flaw. But the rest of the car just seemed overwrought and heavy-looking to me.
Talking to Acura rep at the New England Auto Show, the first thing he noted was that the beak could be painted to make it less obtrusive. Now, there's a selling point...
We've had several Acura's in my family, nothing but good experiences. I hope that they can reclaim the prior gen TL's glory. And, I'm not sure the RLX will be the answer to anyone's question. Hopefully, a good car, but the styling, IMHO, not so much.
#16280 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [igozoomzoom]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:26 am)
This isn't the forum to talk lease price's, this is to talk about the cars. The other forums will give you what people are getting the cars for. I found the RDX forum very handy for my cousin, he was able to get a great deal on one, from the posting on the correct Forum.
#16282 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [sweendogy]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:28 am)
Answer these questions and try to analyze where the company stands-
1). What is Honda's Market Cap and how many shares are outstanding?
2) How much Debt is on their balance Sheet?
3). What is their free cash flow?
4). What is their EBITDA?
5). Whats the PMV?
Creating a model on the above information probably will give you a true outlook on the companys future.
Again I am just trying to help you in your attempt of the demise of Honda.
#16283 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:32 am)
Oh I wish I had time to pop some popcorn and watch this, however, I need to go pay some bills.
#16284 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 25, 2013 (9:40 am)
i can run those numbers asap if needed- but i never said honda- i said acura.. hello
numbers you requested
market cap is 65b, 1.8b outstanding, rev growth looks good. free cash is 547, ebitda has risen from 12 levels, trading at a 52 week low yday--
#16285 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [sweendogy]
Jun 25, 2013 (10:05 am)
Does it really shock you that a 6 yr old design(and which wasn't liked well in the first place) is being heavily discounted with the knowledge that the car is basically going to be discontinued? You really need to take things in context. Facts and statistics are useless without context and relativity. You're right about one thing....they do need a midlevel sedan with great looks which may or may not be the new TLX.
You talk about discounts without having a clue as to what the real margins are. Like I said, context is very useful and if you were right 5 yrs ago Acura should be kaput by now. So much drama for no reason. Nobody is saying Acura has not made mistakes but you make it sound like the sky is falling.
#16286 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [m6user]
Jun 25, 2013 (10:11 am)
You talk about discounts without having a clue as to what the real margins are
no i mentioned that above but please feel free to drop those numbers on me.
Does it really shock you that a 6 yr old design( no but why didnt they chaange it earlier- like they did the civic of 2012??
sky is falling. no just sedans (the volume leaders) sales numbers
and im spent
#16287 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [sweendogy]
Jun 25, 2013 (10:37 am)
Dont want to get into this kiddy talk but from the numbers you cut and paste, what is your deductive reasoning on how the company (Honda/Acura) is doing? Build a model and let me know.
#16288 of 16984 Re: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL 'Base' [billyperksii]
Jun 25, 2013 (11:16 am)
billy - i've done enuf of the kiddy talk, the numbers I cut and past are the numbers you requested so... why dont you present a case and do some research.. like the article above that stated HMC took GOVT money- but you have yet to respond to that, its almost like you just said it to say it, which i guess is ok but I would like to know the true facts, which i supplied. This is a car chat while I can run thru the business side of this I can also show facts about car sales and trends, car rag articles that dispute M3s claim it a One Car fix, which I have.