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#16198 of 16982 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [robr2]
Jun 10, 2013 (1:23 pm)
Yeah, I can see that. All makers have allotments and quotas for each model. The difference is Honda dealer gets the configs what distributor decides, while BMW dealer orders his cars exactly as he/she wants, subject to model allotments with only exclusions being some colors are available only on real customer order only. Well, "only" is a bit strong, because it is quite common for new car managers to make up a fake name if they want that M-line blue on their lot.
#16199 of 16982 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (1:47 pm)
But don't forget that Honda has a much simpler model/feature selection and doesn't have options like other manufacturers. For the most part it's pick your model, pick your engine, pick your transmission, pick your seat material and select NAV/no NAV.
#16200 of 16982 Re: 328 diesel [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (5:02 pm)
Dino good response given the source. Misinformed and old data never a good mix when talking cars on this board. Going to be interesting how this new go around with D cars in the market- Chevy vw BMW trying to make it more mainstream. I've never ridden or drove in a D before- but given the reviews of the prev 335d I would love to.
Btw at local bmw dealer they have 3 2014 wagons on the website- cheapests one is over 54k and runs to 57 and change- wow
#16201 of 16982 Re: 328 diesel [sweendogy]
Jun 10, 2013 (5:56 pm)
Yes, wow. At least that makes sense. Not the price, it's outrageous, of course, but given who buys these, it's people who are much more particular and simply can afford it. No $399 per month crowd, no leader ads, rather you see most conveniences, some sport or appearance stuff, too. Unfortunately, BMW charges arm and leg, but they can, cause nobody else sells those, so you got to pay what they ask.
#16202 of 16982 Re: 328 diesel [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (6:09 pm)
2 had the m sport pack and all the other goodies - except manual -
#16203 of 16982 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (7:48 pm)
I heard there were some bribery scandals in Honda corporate, as dealers were trying to buy their consideration for more attractive lines and models.
That was back in the 80's and early 90's - a great book about the subject is "Arrogance and Accords" and was written by a low level regional sales rep from Honda Corporate. Quite the insiders view of the car world and the greed it spawned.
Remember, this was back in the day when there weren't enough Accords (and Civics) to go around, all dealers had the 'markup' tag on them and there was the voluntary import restrictions agreed to by the major Japanese auto makers (so as to give the Big 3 a fighting chance).
Many of the senior sales executives at Honda were convicted. A few dealers, too, but mostly they provided the necessary evidence to the US Justice Dept to help nail the Honda folks.
#16204 of 16982 Re: 328 diesel [sweendogy]
Jun 11, 2013 (4:57 am)
Sounds right. The manual is no longer available with wagon.
#16205 of 16982 More maintenance on diesel
Jun 11, 2013 (9:33 am)
I was challenged here some time ago to produce evidence of modern diesel needing more maintenance. At the time I could not produce it, although I heard that assertion multiple times from people who know more about cars than I do. Now I have it - BMW will pay for its gasoline engines oil changes every 15K/2 years, while for its new diesel (328d) the period is 10K/1 year. That is tangible evidence that modern diesel engine requires more attention. Oil change is usually just a tip of the iceberg. I'm reasonably confident there is more. Nothing comes free. Diesel engines used to be very insensitive to fuel, now they are very sensitive (due to clean diesel), which mean any kind of impurities will adversely affect durability and service - in turn I'll expect more extensive work required to keep them up. It's all exact opposite to what's used to be. Old diesels were clunky, noisy, stinky and slow, but super durable and resistant to abuse. Many were naturally aspirated. Modern diesels are quiter, smoother, faster, all are turbocharged. As and engineer, I can say with some authority, there was a price somewhere. I'm guessing (just a man's opinion) it will be in lifespan and service. I'd not be surprised if their useful life came close to their gasoline counterparts and milion milers were things of the past.
#16206 of 16982 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [robr2]
Jun 11, 2013 (9:38 am)
It's not just Honda all of the Asian manufactures have it, even the Koreans. Since Lexus is so successful in the luxury and they do not offer a ordering system foe customers how long do you think the Europeans will offer it?
#16207 of 16982 Re: More maintenance on diesel [dino001]
Jun 11, 2013 (9:42 am)
If BMW is offering 4yr/50K free maintenance then what is the problem? I would suspect that owners of a 328d would follow manufactures recommendations on oil changes once the 4/50 is over with. Whether it is 5K miles or 7500 miles. Since there is no info on this as of yet.