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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16189 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [billyperksii]
Jun 10, 2013 (8:39 am)
FN....I didn't realize BMW had wagons out. I just never seen them on the road or at my local dealer.
Billy....Saw that blurb on the TL SE. I've heard no rumors....not even a hint, that they plan on bringing out a TL-S. That said, I'm not sure what they would have in the cupboard that would warrant a TL-S. Not sure what the 3.5L from the current RLX would net them. Maybe slap some Brembos and fancy wheels on a regular TL...include their PAWS system. Aside from that, what more could they do given what we know of their available drivetrains? Maybe slap the hybrid motivation that's coming out later this year for the RLX?
Still, for the roughly $40K my sister just paid for her TL SH AWD Advance, I don't see anything remotely close to it for that kind of money given the level of performance and the content.
#16190 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [graphicguy]
Jun 10, 2013 (9:38 am)
Wagons... "We don't have them because they don't sell". Of course they don't sell because nobody has them
Similar deal with manual tranny. I once, couple of years ago or so, went online and checked all dealers within 100 miles of my Tampa. I think five or six, more than 200 3-series in stock at that time. Not a single manual, no matter coupe, sedan, convertible. No wagons, of course, but that's "normal". Florida is really strange market. Majority of Audis sold here are FWD. To me FWD Audi is like decaf - yeah, you can have one, but what's the point.
#16191 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (9:58 am)
How many times have I heard "the reason they don't sell is because they offer them". Well, they used to offer plenty of wagons and sticks. However, dealers stopped ordering what they couldn't sell. What a novel idea.....stock what people buy.
Having said that, I can see no reason why any car can't be special ordered with the trans of choice. If it costs a little more because it may be a glitche in the production routine than charge a little more to the customer. If a customer really wants something and is willing to pay why not provide it. Now when it comes to station wagons, that's a whole different ballgame because of a number of possible reasons including crash tests, EPA tests, availability of repair parts, component suppliers, etc.
#16192 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [m6user]
Jun 10, 2013 (10:16 am)
The problem is of course instant gratification mindset. Buying a car today means taking it home today. This is what both customers and dealers want - orders are just additional paperwork and trouble, people can change their minds, every salesman would tell you until it's in the customer's garage, it is not sold. In other parts of the world there is a different mindset - people basically think if they spend so much money, they want everything right. It's very common to make an order and wait 3 months. Here only a few manufacturers (mostly lux brands) are trully geared toward this setup. Others may do it, but they act as it were a big favor. There are some dealers that flat out refuse to do a special order, even if the manufacturer takes it. Then there is Honda and handful of others - they don't take any dealer's orders, they make them and then they push them on the dealers. I heard there were some bribery scandals in Honda corporate, as dealers were trying to buy their consideration for more attractive lines and models. The best you can hope for with Honda is that they'll take the "order" and try to fit it into what's coming off the production line.
BTW, I always wondered if crash tests required all engine/transmission configurations to be checked, as different total mass, distribution of essential drivetrain components, etc. could justify such requirement. If so, that would be another reason to ditch manual transmissions.
#16193 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (10:28 am)
I heard there were some bribery scandals in Honda corporate, as dealers were trying to buy their consideration for more attractive lines and models.
All automakers do that. Back when the Explorer was the top selling vehicle, dealers had to take 3 pink Escorts for every extra Explorer they wanted....
#16194 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (10:30 am)
Yes, dino001. All engine & transmission configurations MUST be crash tested.
#16195 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (10:36 am)
As to crash tests, I don't know about different engine/transmission combos but I would think a complete different body style would certainly require testing. A lot of manufactures offer sticks in their entry level models so I wouldn't think just a tranny difference would be much of a player.
Dealers in Europe often have a very small footprint and car buying is almost exclusively by order. When the U.S. started selling cars there was plenty of land to spread out and build huge dealerships so a big part of the difference in mindset was the availability of space. Sames as car size. Long, wide roads equaled land yachts! Europe and Asian roads on the most part in cities and countryside are much narrower and for the most part, cover shorter distances. IMO if their auto industry had grown up with the wide open spaces that were the norm in the U.S. things would be much different.
#16196 of 16984 Re: 328 diesel [dino001]
Jun 10, 2013 (1:03 pm)
Dino its not that I was misinformed, it as my data is old, and thank you for sharing the info. Is there info on the diesel wagon?
#16197 of 16984 Re: 328 diesel [flightnurse]
Jun 10, 2013 (1:16 pm)
No, 328/335 GT and 328d sedan seem to be all that's new for 2014 3-series (and some option/line tweaking, of course), at least now. I suspect that if it's coming, it'll be 2015 (just a guess). I say IF just because there is no mentioning of it anywhere but here, by you. Future vehicles section has nothing, bimmerfest doesn't either.
#16198 of 16984 Re: 2014 TL Special Edition [robr2]
Jun 10, 2013 (1:23 pm)
Yeah, I can see that. All makers have allotments and quotas for each model. The difference is Honda dealer gets the configs what distributor decides, while BMW dealer orders his cars exactly as he/she wants, subject to model allotments with only exclusions being some colors are available only on real customer order only. Well, "only" is a bit strong, because it is quite common for new car managers to make up a fake name if they want that M-line blue on their lot.