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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16110 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 30, 2013 (6:32 pm)
Gotcha. No offense taken. I used to always think the newer is better while having respect to what a previous model was & that people who complained that an older generation of is far superior to the new model were just being stubborn & ridiculous. I really feel that BMW has taken a completely new direction with the current generation 3 series that I personally do not like. Only time & the sales figures will tell.
E & F codes are BMW speak for certain body styles. The current 320, 328, & 335 sedans are known as the F30.
The previous generation (like I have) is known as the E90 and was produced (in sedan form) from model year 2006 - 2011.
From 1999 - 2005, the 3 series was known as the E46.
Before that from 1992 - 1998, the 3 series produced were called E36
And finally, from 1984 - 1991 (sedans), the 3 series is named the E30. These are the 3 box design BMWs.
Nobody is trying to exclude you by any means. I hope I cleared things up for you.
I got back in my car today after its visit to the dealer (new passenger side headlight assembly, trunk latch, negative battery cable, brake fluid, & cabin filter) and it just feels right. My 230 hp car is far from the fastest car on the road, but it is just so smooth & so right.
#16111 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 31, 2013 (4:05 am)
I always wanted new versions and was excited with every new launch. I'm an option hog, newer cars tend to have more equipment standard and more optional. They usually have stronger engines, better transmissions. The chassis are usually stiffer and the ride is usually a bit more refined within each model's target audience. All those were reasons why I liked new models over outgoing ones. New 3-series improves a lot of things on paper - it has more torque (328 anyway), better automatic transmission, it finally has rear split folddown seat standard (but of course 320i does not). It is larger, which majority wanted, but I did not.
However, there are significant steps back in this model that are important for many who bought previous generations - disastorous steering feedback (I could not believe how bad it was - if it were a Buick I'd say fine, that's how GM positions those cars, but for BMW it is TERRIBLE). The interior has been downgraded - larger space came at cost of quality of plastic switches (they feel harder, more like downscale car) and even iDrive does not feel the same - my old one has a "graded" hump feel with each notch, the new one is a flat ratchet. I know it's nitpicking, but I feel entitled to nitpick a car that came with almost 5 grand price increase (effectively) over old model. Yes, the price is another issue - it is flat out ridiculous. Well equipped 328 goes over 50 grand in a snap (my 328 wagon with Nav, convenience pack, sports pack and premium pack stickered at $46K), 335 shoots to almost 60 grand if you like any of nice conveniences. 50/60 grand for THIS???
#16112 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 31, 2013 (4:42 am)
BTW, the straight six/ vs turbo - I don't expect you to understand this and you don't have to agree. Engine audio effects are indeed non-essential parts of driving experience. All I can tell you I hear the difference and I like the old one more. You don't care and I do. Both is OK. People have different levels of sound sensitivity and awareness.
#16113 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [dino001]
May 31, 2013 (7:12 am)
It will take some time to admit it by the fan base, but F30 is a letdown when it comes to sports sedan. That is an opinion, of course,
I think the true enthusiast already knew this... But it's the things to come, if car companies want to make the new EPA numbers something has to go for now, but with the new wave of Diesel engine comes, the tide might turn the other way.Once the CAFE numbers increase, we can only hope.
In reference to the turbo 6, my comment was in reference that the BMW lost the test by ONE point, but was fastest of all the cars. It lost because of handling...
#16114 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [dino001]
May 31, 2013 (7:18 am)
Engine audio effects are indeed non-essential parts of driving experience. All I can tell you I hear the difference and I like the old one more.
This is why the Alfa GTV6 will always have a special place in my heart, it was the closes car I will ever have to owning a Ferrari. That engine, makes music, get it past 4K, and wow.
The BMW in-line 6 does the same thing, doesn't stir the soul as much as the V6 alfa, but close.
#16115 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 31, 2013 (9:28 am)
I get there are different model codes for cars- infact I'm sure Nissan and ford have different codes for a maxima and the fusion. The fact that BMW enthusiasts use these terms like they invented codes seem silly and douchie to me.
I will print out the descriptions above so I can follow some of the posts on BMWs; thanks.
I don't think BMW or any car company at this point cares about the enthusiasts owner at all. It's all about cheap lease deals and high demand - which BMW has cornered the market in getting people in - I think they will do very well with this new redo as it prob addresses issues with the prev (f30?) car had that the non enthusiast mass lease buyers complained about- and blame you have the ultimate leasing machine.
#16116 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 31, 2013 (10:06 am)
I don't think BMW or any car company at this point cares about the enthusiasts owner at all.
This is most certainly true. Once the enthusiasts build a brand's image over a decade or two, they're of no further value in extending the sales numbers into the mass market.
#16117 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 31, 2013 (10:25 am)
You are right that BMW cares about 2 things (like every other automaker), selling as many cars as they can and making as much profit off of those cars. As much as we love certain cars, they have to change. They have to add more safety features. They have to add more luxury goodies. They have to add different wheels. They have to change for the sake of change.
#16118 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 31, 2013 (11:32 am)
Absolutely. However, there is a danger when all brands converge into one. Over long periods, regardless of product or service, it is those companies that have something that differentiates them from the crowd that win. Superior services, lowest price, best value (as price/content), best quality (whichever way one defines quality), etc. Prior the pedal fiasco, Toyota was uncontested reliability leader - their cars never had cutting edge equipment, never been safest in the market, or offered best value in terms of price of content. But they delivered expected features on time. When nobody asked for side impact airbags or ABS, they were either unavailable, or never delivered, when those features because standard of service, Toyota did not procrastrinate.
So after gutting out the steering feedback, what's left there in BMW cars? Good engine and transmission combo with really good mpg, decent build quality, brand cache. But Audi makes nicer interiors, Mercedes makes nicer ride and still has better brand recognition (reportedly Germany is a different story, but in US there is no doubt), Lexus makes better overall quality, Infiniti makes them faster and (now also) sharper cornering (at least G), Acura has superior value in terms of the content.
BMW does not excell or corner anything in particular as they used to. Yeah, gas mileage... Really, Pay up 5-10 grand more to get extra 3 mpg - that's a great calculus.
They can cash out their old chips for a while, as they probably have a lot of them. But watch out. There used to be a reason to pony up the money for this expensive piece of metal, because one could argue that nobody else has quite done it they way they do. This claim may not be valid in five or ten years. When chips are spent there is nothing left. Those things don't come quickly and immediately, but when the tides turn, it takes long time to turn them back. Just ask Mazda and Nissan how (NOT) well they did when they try to outcamry the Camry.
#16119 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [dino001]
May 31, 2013 (1:00 pm)
Thanks guys I like being told I'm right it feels great and appreshiated. Wish my wife would go along with that- or even flight for that matter.
On the Camry comment - I'm sure Nissan is fine with what they did with the Altima as its past and current sales dictate. Not a great example - maybe use a fusion and a Mazda 6- or something different in that argument- Nissan bad example as the Altima prob saved the brand during the mid late 2000s.