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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16103 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 29, 2013 (6:51 pm)
This review - and I'm not a bmw homer like most here- is it more Buyers remorse or just a belief that the old underpowered "smoother" 6 is better then the more effecent and more powerful 4... Doesn't the 4 pull 60 more lbs of torque? Have more hp- have standard leather (sorry I kid)
I would guess a week in the new rig would result in new results- or review. Or if you leased a 2012 vs a 2011 it would result in buyers bias.
The old and new bmw are good cars to bad you have to pay extra if you decide to buy and bot lease one.
#16104 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 29, 2013 (7:55 pm)
I most definitely DO NOT have a shred of buyer's remorse. I do dig the power of the turbo 4. Gobs more power everywhere in the rev range. It is perfectly matched to the new 8 speed automatic as well. I'm just not in love with the F30. The vague electric power steering, the softer suspension, the higher belt line. The base tires have too tall side walls, there's too much of a gap in the wheel wells, I don't care for the front end styling if the car doesn't have Xenon Headlights. Don't get me wrong, the F30 is a nice car. Just not for me.
#16105 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 30, 2013 (2:17 am)
the F30 is a nice car. Just not for me.
That sums up my reaction to a short test drive in the new 335i Sport Line. It's a nice car but lacks the magic of my E46 or for that matter my E39.
I think I'd like the car better if they'd fix the (electric) steering which was terrific on previous Bimmers.
#16106 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 30, 2013 (6:30 am)
and I'm not a bmw homer like most here
No but you secretly want a BMW and have in the past been looking to buy one so stop playing these games. BTW, the 335 has the smallest engine, lowest HP and torque rating of the group, but posted the fastest 0-60 and quarter mile times of the group now bad for a " underpowered "smoother" 6"
It's interesting that BMW lost this test by ONE point, and that C&D give it perfect points on many items. Granted the car has gone soft, because that is what the market wants, for the true enthusiast like most people on this board it's not what we want, however, the minority can not keep the company in business like the masses can.
It has taken Lexus how long to get the IS right? The ATS still can't win a test against the inferior BMW...
#16107 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [flightnurse]
May 30, 2013 (4:00 pm)
Sween referred to the naturally aspirated 230 hp engine in E9x 328 models, not the 300+ hp turbo six in 335 that you are writing about in C&D test. Two different engines.
It will take some time to admit it by the fan base, but F30 is a letdown when it comes to sports sedan. That is an opinion, of course,
#16108 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [flightnurse]
May 30, 2013 (5:19 pm)
Lets go thru this babble one line at a time.....
"secretly want a BMW" it's not much of a secret if I said I was looking for one various times, also mentioning my frustration on what you get for a new one at certain price pts and also mentioning I was looking used.
Smother six rant- again was talking 328 vs 328.. So lost here
C and d mention- no idea how this relates to my post as it was never mentioned- but again this par to the other posts from you.
"One" in bold comment - bmw lost get over it - one in a million does happen, ask Lloyd Christmas.
- my comment-
Any new test drives in the works on cars you would like to drive but have no real intention of buying or have the Scottsdale dealers shut down the window shopping Saturday fun fest ?
I would also like to mention the counter attacks are more underpowered then the new 320.
#16109 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 30, 2013 (5:18 pm)
My comment was not directed at just you- every car buyer here thinks the older one is better for a while- then they eventually upgrade and like the newer one better. ..
Fyi Bmw owners...
The bmw f30 and d45 numbers mean nothing to non-bmw owners - I'm a car guy - I like 57 Chevy, 72 camaro.. We all know you know what you are talking about but non bmw owners have no idea what a f30 is.
Btw the 89 maxima might be the most underrated maxima of all time.
#16110 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 30, 2013 (6:32 pm)
Gotcha. No offense taken. I used to always think the newer is better while having respect to what a previous model was & that people who complained that an older generation of is far superior to the new model were just being stubborn & ridiculous. I really feel that BMW has taken a completely new direction with the current generation 3 series that I personally do not like. Only time & the sales figures will tell.
E & F codes are BMW speak for certain body styles. The current 320, 328, & 335 sedans are known as the F30.
The previous generation (like I have) is known as the E90 and was produced (in sedan form) from model year 2006 - 2011.
From 1999 - 2005, the 3 series was known as the E46.
Before that from 1992 - 1998, the 3 series produced were called E36
And finally, from 1984 - 1991 (sedans), the 3 series is named the E30. These are the 3 box design BMWs.
Nobody is trying to exclude you by any means. I hope I cleared things up for you.
I got back in my car today after its visit to the dealer (new passenger side headlight assembly, trunk latch, negative battery cable, brake fluid, & cabin filter) and it just feels right. My 230 hp car is far from the fastest car on the road, but it is just so smooth & so right.
#16111 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [nyccarguy]
May 31, 2013 (4:05 am)
I always wanted new versions and was excited with every new launch. I'm an option hog, newer cars tend to have more equipment standard and more optional. They usually have stronger engines, better transmissions. The chassis are usually stiffer and the ride is usually a bit more refined within each model's target audience. All those were reasons why I liked new models over outgoing ones. New 3-series improves a lot of things on paper - it has more torque (328 anyway), better automatic transmission, it finally has rear split folddown seat standard (but of course 320i does not). It is larger, which majority wanted, but I did not.
However, there are significant steps back in this model that are important for many who bought previous generations - disastorous steering feedback (I could not believe how bad it was - if it were a Buick I'd say fine, that's how GM positions those cars, but for BMW it is TERRIBLE). The interior has been downgraded - larger space came at cost of quality of plastic switches (they feel harder, more like downscale car) and even iDrive does not feel the same - my old one has a "graded" hump feel with each notch, the new one is a flat ratchet. I know it's nitpicking, but I feel entitled to nitpick a car that came with almost 5 grand price increase (effectively) over old model. Yes, the price is another issue - it is flat out ridiculous. Well equipped 328 goes over 50 grand in a snap (my 328 wagon with Nav, convenience pack, sports pack and premium pack stickered at $46K), 335 shoots to almost 60 grand if you like any of nice conveniences. 50/60 grand for THIS???
#16112 of 16985 Re: My F30 328xi impressions [sweendogy]
May 31, 2013 (4:42 am)
BTW, the straight six/ vs turbo - I don't expect you to understand this and you don't have to agree. Engine audio effects are indeed non-essential parts of driving experience. All I can tell you I hear the difference and I like the old one more. You don't care and I do. Both is OK. People have different levels of sound sensitivity and awareness.