Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 8:41 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16066 of 16982 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [graphicguy]
May 02, 2013 (7:01 am)
Like you've said many times GG, none of us (with possibly the exception of Roadburner & Fedlawman) comes close to our respective cars limits of acceleration & adhesion, especially on public roads. No matter how fast we tackle twisty back roads or blast off onto an open highway.
There are days when I jump onto 95 and have been able to set my cruise at 80 mph. Traveling at that speed, I've been passed (easily) by a 2003 V6 Camry, a 2004 Suburban just to name a few. At the same point, I've passed by Aston Martins, 911 Cabs, & even Ferraris with my cruise set at 65 mph. All of us here enjoy what we drive.
Are there differences between a TL SH AWD Advanced & the 5er, E350, or A6? Absolutely. The Germans don't just charge more because they can. I'm not going to say one is more durable or reliable than the other. But if the Acura is 8/10ths of the comparable German Sedan, I'll be on my way to pick up a TL.
#16067 of 16982 limits Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [nyccarguy]
May 02, 2013 (7:42 am)
'Like you've said many times GG, none of us (with possibly the exception of Roadburner & Fedlawman) comes close to our respective cars limits of acceleration & adhesion, especially on public roads. '
This is actually one reason that I am so addicted to TQ.
I can typically find a portion of any drive [ and an excuse ] to use WOT – even if only for a few seconds.
To me, that is ‘a rush’ – and I enjoy it.
High absolute cornering limits just mean I have wide leeway in my [ um, enthusiastic ] street driving.
Admitted TQ addict – and no desire to reform . . .
#16068 of 16982 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [cdnpinhead]
May 02, 2013 (8:11 am)
It was a 1600, however, I placed a 2L in it as I blew the 1.6 engine. I sold it and bought a 69 510, which was a fun car, with a stroked 2L in it.
#16069 of 16982 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [nyccarguy]
May 02, 2013 (9:46 am)
well, I track my car. So
#16070 of 16982 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [qbrozen]
May 02, 2013 (11:00 am)
I knew I forgot someone . You know what I was getting at. flightnurse is a track guy too.
#16071 of 16982 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [andys120]
May 02, 2013 (2:50 pm)
They're fantastic values if you buy carefully.
I'm convinced 90% of the problems and perceptions people have with older German cars' costs as they age is from previous owners that skimped on maintenance, or from incompetent mechanics having worked on them.
If it is properly maintained, I can't see any problems that will be too costly with most German cars.
That said, I think Audi is doing a better job with quality control than BMW or Mercedes lately, seen CR recently?
#16072 of 16982 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [qbrozen]
May 02, 2013 (6:48 pm)
Q...you've been tracking for a lng while. Those track events are well behind me. However, I do enjoy a well engineered, sporting car on a challenging road.
NYC....we all like what we like. Cars in this class are hard to find fault with. It comes down to the different flavor you prefer.
#16073 of 16982 Which one has best sound?
May 03, 2013 (5:45 am)
I spend a lot of time driving and listening to music while driving so good sound is very important to me. I would speculate that car lovers usually love music too.
Out of all the performance cars we've been talking about, which one do you think have best sound for music?
#16074 of 16982 Re: Which one has best sound? [leoblue]
May 03, 2013 (5:58 am)
Leo.....I have a Bang & Olufson system in my Audi. It's really good. But, the best I've ever heard is ithe ELS system in the Acura.
Trailing behind those two would be the Harmon Kardon system in the BMW and Mercedes, then the Bose system in the Cadillac.
I haven't heard the system in the Infiniti for a long while, so I can't really comment on it. I don't remember it being particularly good or bad.
I also haven't heard the Levinson system in the Lexus for a long time, either. But again, compared to the others above, I don't recall it being a stand out.
By the way, all these systems mentioned above are extra cost options on all of the cars they come in.
#16075 of 16982 Re: Which one has best sound? [graphicguy]
May 03, 2013 (5:05 pm)
GG there are three different versions of the B&O sound system in the Audi's, I was very impressed with the A8, with the movable tweeters on the dash, the A6 and A4 didn't have the clear highs that the A8 had.
I had a MKS as a rental a couple of weeks back and it had their top of the line system with the THX and was impressed for a none big name connected to it that it sounded as good as it did. Never been impressed with any of the BOSE systems in any car, and the Levinson system in the Lexus is excellent.