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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15999 of 16984 Re: 550d red line 5,400 Re: Chevy Cruze Diesel 46 MPG [flightnurse]
Apr 19, 2013 (8:36 am)
15% market share would be enormous growth in the segment - 500%+! And I would not call it "small" at all. That is significant marketshare, it would mean diesels are everywhere, offered by every manufacturer. One out of 7 vehicles, from Spark to Suburban, from Carrera to Ram 1500. It is certainly attainable, mostly by having diesel engines in pickups, SUVs and even family wagons/crossovers.
#16000 of 16984 Entry level larger luxury sedan
Apr 22, 2013 (6:24 pm)
I am looking for an entry level luxury sedan that is atleast as big as Camry to hold 5 adults comfortably. Looking for something under $50 - $55K. I know this is a performance forum, but that is not an important criteria for me. Which Sedans will fit that category?
#16001 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [buyerhelp]
Apr 22, 2013 (7:32 pm)
Go to page 796 and start reading at post #15902.
#16002 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [buyerhelp]
Apr 23, 2013 (4:26 am)
In addition to following fedlawman's direction, I'd also look at....
-Audi A6 2.0....It has the less expensive turbo 4 cyl (and less performance than the supercharged 3.0 6 cyl, and a great engine), is a larger lux car, and offers some nice handling charateristics.
-Audi A4....same as above only a little smaller.
-Acura TL SH AWD w/Tech package.....very nice lux performance car, totally loaded up, and a screaming bargain right now (my Sister just bought one)
-Lexus ES 350...should be able to sneak in just under $50K
-While I don't know much about them, Volvo S60 would probably fit the bill, too
-BMW 328i/335i.....might be a little too small, but look at them and see if they work
Good luck and let us know how the car shopping is going.
#16003 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [graphicguy]
Apr 23, 2013 (4:34 am)
I have a 2013 Volvo S60 T5 FWD. A great car - fun to drive, easy on gas, very comfortable front seats BUT, I don't think 2 adults would be comfortable in that back seat for any length of time. As for 3 adults, forget about it!!
#16004 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [graphicguy]
Apr 23, 2013 (7:16 am)
I looked at BMW 3 series and they are very small. Will not work. Same thing for Audi A4. I also looked at Acura TL and Lexus ES 350, they still seem a little smaller than Camry (is that correct?, hard to tell). Is Audi A6 bigger than TL and ES?
#16005 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [buyerhelp]
Apr 23, 2013 (7:52 am)
ES350 is not smaller than Camry, it should be larger. A6 is bigger, also much more expensive.
I would not call 3-series or A4 "very small". Surely too small for your needs (which is fair), but if 328 is "very small" than there is no word in English language to describe almost half of car models in the market.
#16006 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [dino001]
Apr 23, 2013 (11:29 am)
Good to know that ES350 is not smaller than Camry. A6 looks good too. Need to actually go and look at both of these now. In terms of price, looks like A6 will come out about 4K more than ES350 (have to add in the options for ES350 since not a whole lot standard). So for 4K more, is A6 the better Sedan?
Also, I know in the long run A6 is going to be more expensive in terms of maintenance.
Should not have used "very small". More like relatively small.
#16007 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [buyerhelp]
Apr 23, 2013 (12:00 pm)
Are you sure A6 is only 4 grand more? There are plenty of options there, too and they'd drive up the price with breath taking speed. I always thought Lexus was much better in standard content than German brands. Not as good as Acura, but still - especially ES, I thought was well equipped out of the gates. Things change, I guess.
#16008 of 16984 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [dino001]
Apr 23, 2013 (12:30 pm)
You're knocking on the door of $50K MSRP for an A6 2.0 Premium Plus auto. You won't get the fancy stereo, but you will get Nav for that price (less a couple thousand for discount).
You have to add some costly packages to the ES350 to hit the Audi level.
I still think the A6 is bigger, but haven't been in an ES in a while.
I do think the TL would be similar in size to the ES, though.