Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 7:58 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15913 of 16984 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (9:36 am)
roomy (would like the back seat as wide as possible for 3 to fit comfortable. Have two car seat and still have the middle person have enough room).
I think you are looking in the wrong class (size wise) of cars. Any of these will fit 2 car seats in the back, but fit a 3rd person comfortably in the back with the 2 car seats? I don't think so. Are we talking high back booster seats or 5 point harness seats that need to be LATCHed in?
Have you looked at the Toyota Avalon? It is a bigger car than the ES, I think It should get you the same comfortable ride you are looking for & that LEGENDARY Toyota reliability
One way to reduce your maintenance costs on a Toyota or Lexus would be to pay attention when you take the car in. Don't just drop it off to the Service Advisor & say, "the light is on, it needs service." Usually unless it is something major, the car will most likely require a simple oil change when the light comes on.
#15914 of 16984 Lexus vs. BMW
Apr 09, 2013 (10:09 am)
To Lexus Buyer
This forum is populated mostly by people who have quite a bit different priorities than yours. There is nothing wrong with your priorities. Somebody here mentioned Buick, which could be another good fit for you, based on your self-description. It is probably a fine car and I would not mind renting one on an business trip to some metropolitan area, or a family trip with my parents in the back seat. However, I'd definitely not buy one, even at a steep discount and would beg a rental counter guy for something different if I went on same trip alone, especially if it involved twisty hilly/mountain roads. Different strokes for different folks. Seem to me that ES is car for you, or LaCrosse/Avalon, if you want to save money. If you bought 3-series you'll likely feel ripped off, because the things it has are the ones you seem to care least about.
On the other note, please notice that you came to ELLPS forum, but it seems your preferences are strongly into ELLS, "P" being omitted. Buick, Lexus or Avalon have all good strong engines and good straight line accelerations, but that's not enough to be "P". It's the control and responsiveness aspect, usually a result of a trade with size and comfort. So if you go back into the discussion and see so many people loving 3-series, just know that they don't love it because it is roomy, quiet, or comfortable. It is none of these things in comparison with mentioned Buick or Lexus.
#15915 of 16984 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dino001]
Apr 09, 2013 (10:47 am)
Thanks for your insight dino001. You are right, I think I am not really looking for the "P". I will test drive the other cars and see what I feel.
#15916 of 16984 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (11:51 am)
All the other cars on your list are going to be too "sporty" for you I suspect. Sporty meaning too small inside, too harsh riding, and/or too noisy.
I agree with others that you should consider the Buick Lacrosse and Toyota Avalon. I would also add the Hyundai Genesis to the list.
#15917 of 16984 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (1:24 pm)
the Infiniti would be out anyway due to MPG, smoothness, and back seat. And no way are you getting that much space out of the 3 series.
The Lexus I believe is a bit roomier than the others. Not sure if big enough. Avalon, probably a fine choice, if you can live with the plebeian badge!
Getting into a MB E class or a BMW 5 series is going to really up the ante.
the Buick, could be a fine option. If you want domestic, a Chrysler 300? Hey, if you are going big, go REAl big!
Apr 09, 2013 (1:45 pm)
FWIW, the new Avlon-based ES Lexus has a huge amount of rear seat leg room.
#15921 of 16984 Re: My $.02 [carnaught]
Apr 09, 2013 (2:34 pm)
Yes, it does. I did test drive the lexus and it fit the two booster seat and still comfortable for the third person in the middle.
To respond to stickguy :
I think you are right that infiniti and 3 series might not have exactly what I am looking for, but I will still go test drive them.
Do not really want to go with Avalon. Want a little higher brand name like Lexus.
Cannot afford the E class or 5 series. Would have loved them.
I really appreciate all the feedback from all of you. Very good points and educational.
#15922 of 16984 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (4:48 pm)
Between my wife and I we've owned/leased each of these vehicles over the past say ten years and add to this an Audi A4 and Lexus RX. I'd like to share my opinion on what you have posted, but do encourage you to drive everything you're interested in. Car buying...test driving is fun and vehicles are expensive, so enjoy picking out what you like.
Many of the important items you'll get with any of the cars you've listed. As some others have pointed out I think the back seat may pose the biggest challenge. I think the ES or even the A4 might serve best in this area. Since low maintenance cost over 200k miles is important, personally I'd flunk the German brands out. On both my ES and RX, I just did routine services over both vehicles with each exceeding 150k miles, so my experience with Lexus regarding low cost maintenance was great. However BMW and Audi with Audi care provide free scheduled maintenance over 50k miles. However over 200k I'd expect service to cost more on these models.
Your quiet and smooth to drive speaks Lexus as well. My wife complains my BMW is a harsh ride since I have a sport package and low profile tires. Speaking of the BMW, I have a 335. This car and the 328 are very different vehicles to drive, so drive them both to experience the difference. Both are much more focused on sporty vs. luxury.
Based on what you've listed, I actually think the Lexus RX would get you everything you want but the mileage since its an SUV....and no longer a performance luxury sedan, however I wouldn't consider the ES (which the RX is based off of) one either.