Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 8:41 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15906 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (6:00 am)
Lexus ES is front wheel drive, whereas the other three are RWD-based, or AWD if you choose such. That makes a big difference in handling on ramps and corners. Lexus is Camry-based, but I would not say it's just a Camry, because that's not really fair. However, it will definitely share some characteristics with its common sister.
If you are interested in feel of luxury at a great price, quite and smooth ride, especially on long trips, don't really care (or can't even understand what we are talking about) about handling, ES is absolutely perfect. I'm not mocking you or anybody else who doesn't care about handling. I know a lot of people like that and I don't think of them any less. They sit in Crown Vic or Taurus and don't miss what I would, makes them happier and that's fine. They're happy with engine pull. Again - not mocking anyone, just stating the fact.
ES350 will have all luxuries (and possibly more) that you want and money still in the wallet left, great corporate reliability, plenty of clever stuff inside. I was impressed when I saw some features in my coworker' s. It's a fine car, just not for me. I like sharper steering (new BMW is already too dull for me, I like the previous models more) that RWD or AWD can offer, don't mind to pay for it with bit more road noise. I like manual transmissions, if I can have one, I'd gladly pay for it. Some ATs are really good, too, I just take MT as long as I can - just me. I can't say much about G37, other than it was developed to chase 335 buyer with lower price point or 328 buyer with same/similar price point but better performance. It is a bit "old tech" today, but it may be a good thing. BMW and MB need to improve gas mileage, so they go with these 4-cylinder turbos, G37 stays true to high output naturally aspirated V6 that is not very frugal, but is a rocket. They can afford it, as I believe, their mpg is averaged with parent Nissan (I don't know for sure, but why else wouldn't they come with similar engines already?). I would call it most "old school ELLPS" of the bunch.
If I needed one today and could afford it, 335 is best FOR ME, but I have no problem with somebody saying ES350 is better FOR THEM. I can even see why and acknowledge those as valid reasons. Bottom line - it's trully matter of priorities.
#15907 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [dino001]
Apr 09, 2013 (6:45 am)
Thank you cdnpinhead, stickguy, graphicguy, dino001 for your input.
So far have only driven lexus, so I still need to drive others to see what I like personally. What I wanted to get here was experiences from others.
My Priorities :
- smooth and quiet driving
- least maintenance cost
- good mpg
- roomy (would like the back seat as wide as possible for 3 to fit comfortable. Have two car seat and still have the middle person have enough room).
- I really do not know more about handling besides the smooth and quiet I mentioned above.
- value for money
- long term (like go 200K or more without issues)
- brand name
Any other car that fits the criteria above besides the one I have listed?
#15908 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (7:27 am)
Looks like a Lexus fits your bill.
Maintenance costs are going to be a bit high. Have a neighbor who has two "Lexi". He is contstantly complaining about how high maintenance is, even for routine maintenance. Then again, someone has to pay for those oppulent showrooms.
Any of these vehicles will go for 200K miles. As you're aware, strict maitenance is key, however.
Value for money....hmmmm....looking at that and low maintenance desires, smooth ride, big back seat, have you looked at one of Hyundai's premium cars? The Equs or Genesis? They have great warranties. My son had an Elantra and it was uber cheap to maintain. And, it lasted him a good long while.
#15909 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (7:34 am)
I think you should look at the Acura TL. It's front wheel drive like the Lexus, gets excellent MPG, rated very high reliability and low maint especially if you plan on keeping it a long time(which you indicated). The German cars will no doubt cost you more time and money after you get out of warranty time and miles. If you have to deal with snow the Lexus and TL being FWD will be a little better for traction. The Acura TL also comes in a AWD version but based on your stated use and not caring that much about the handling I wouldn't recommend it as it is heavier, get less MPG and cost several thousand more. Why pay for it if you're not really going to use it. The Germans are all RWD with AWD being optional but if you have to contend with a lot of bad weather and snow you would probably need the AWD which, again, raises the price and lowers the MPG.
If it were me and I had the same buying criteria that you have, I would go with either the Lexus or the Acura.
#15910 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [m6user]
Apr 09, 2013 (7:45 am)
Thanks m6user. I did try out the Acura TL also. It did not feel as smooth as lexus and also felt a little small from inside (compared to lexus). The controls on lexus were much better also. I guess, these are the personal things one notices after the test drive. Overall, I like Acura TL also.
I live in norcal with no weather/snow issues.
#15911 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (8:21 am)
Yes, the Lexus is a little smoother and bigger inside as it's now based on the Avalon and not the Camry as someone else mentioned. In fact, if you're not totally immune to a Toyota versus Lexus you might take a look at the Avalon. From what I saw at the auto show and from what I've read about it, it seems to have an almost luxury class interior and the same drivetrain as the Lexus for about $5-8k less money.
#15912 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (9:32 am)
For work I travel, and rent a lot of cars. Lately I have been renting many Buick LaCrosse's I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with them. They are comfortable, roomy, good power and get decent MPG. The price difference between a Top of the line LaCrosse and ES is about 10K, which is a lot of money. As graphic has pointed out, you are sold on the Lexi, why waste your time looking at other cars when you will have a hard time being objective looking at other cars. However, if you can be objective, the LaCrosse should be one to look at. BTW, what is your price range you want to spend? Also look at the new Toyota Avalon, again, you will save yourself about 10K.
#15913 of 16982 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (9:36 am)
roomy (would like the back seat as wide as possible for 3 to fit comfortable. Have two car seat and still have the middle person have enough room).
I think you are looking in the wrong class (size wise) of cars. Any of these will fit 2 car seats in the back, but fit a 3rd person comfortably in the back with the 2 car seats? I don't think so. Are we talking high back booster seats or 5 point harness seats that need to be LATCHed in?
Have you looked at the Toyota Avalon? It is a bigger car than the ES, I think It should get you the same comfortable ride you are looking for & that LEGENDARY Toyota reliability
One way to reduce your maintenance costs on a Toyota or Lexus would be to pay attention when you take the car in. Don't just drop it off to the Service Advisor & say, "the light is on, it needs service." Usually unless it is something major, the car will most likely require a simple oil change when the light comes on.
#15914 of 16982 Lexus vs. BMW
Apr 09, 2013 (10:09 am)
To Lexus Buyer
This forum is populated mostly by people who have quite a bit different priorities than yours. There is nothing wrong with your priorities. Somebody here mentioned Buick, which could be another good fit for you, based on your self-description. It is probably a fine car and I would not mind renting one on an business trip to some metropolitan area, or a family trip with my parents in the back seat. However, I'd definitely not buy one, even at a steep discount and would beg a rental counter guy for something different if I went on same trip alone, especially if it involved twisty hilly/mountain roads. Different strokes for different folks. Seem to me that ES is car for you, or LaCrosse/Avalon, if you want to save money. If you bought 3-series you'll likely feel ripped off, because the things it has are the ones you seem to care least about.
On the other note, please notice that you came to ELLPS forum, but it seems your preferences are strongly into ELLS, "P" being omitted. Buick, Lexus or Avalon have all good strong engines and good straight line accelerations, but that's not enough to be "P". It's the control and responsiveness aspect, usually a result of a trade with size and comfort. So if you go back into the discussion and see so many people loving 3-series, just know that they don't love it because it is roomy, quiet, or comfortable. It is none of these things in comparison with mentioned Buick or Lexus.
#15915 of 16982 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dino001]
Apr 09, 2013 (10:47 am)
Thanks for your insight dino001. You are right, I think I am not really looking for the "P". I will test drive the other cars and see what I feel.