Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:09 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15714 of 16985 Re: Cross Shopping experience [xrunner2]
Feb 28, 2013 (12:47 pm)
My 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD Advance (whew!) is my first non-Audi since my first, a 1978 5000. Immediately prior to the Acura I had a 2009 Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with the sport package option.
I may have (I do have) some issues with the Acura -- but many/most of them are of a cosmetic nature -- but, now that Acura bought new wheels for me (3 of the 19" wheels were bent so badly that they could not be road-force balanced), I have no issues with the steering. The wide and low profile tires that were on the Audi and on this Acura can be the source of some ride stiffness, but I have no issues that I can comment on that have anything to do with the electric power steering.
The TL SH-AWD Advance is very well equipped, smooth driving and riding, yet agile and nimble (due to the wheel/tire combo and the sport suspension).
It does seem to be not an unreasonable imitation of an Audi S4 when one factors in the S4's $11,000 premium when similarly contented -- if you can get past the controversial styling (yes, even the toned down 2012 still has too much "beak" for most folks.)
I will shop Acura (among others) for my next car when the lease is up on this one -- at this point, I would shop the upcoming TLX, the Infiniti Q50, the Audi A4, the BMW 3, the Cadillac ATS and CTS and probably the Volvo S60.
The Acura suffers from NOT providing its owner with an experience that is not crystal-clearly differentiated from the Honda upon which it is based.
Some people think that Acura's best feature is that it comes from the Honda Motors Corporation. Others, like me, wish it wasn't quite so obvious that it came from Honda's loins (so to speak.)
#15715 of 16985 Re: CTS Lease [plekto]
Mar 03, 2013 (11:27 am)
Sad that GM still has oil/engine problems on the Caddys. My uncle bought a 2002 DeVille with the dreaded Northstar. It drank oil and he complained to GM numerous times and was told the oil consumption was "acceptable" and they refused to do anything about it. He now drives an Infiniti and will never consider GM again, and I can't say I blame him.
#15716 of 16985 Re: CTS Lease [jpp5862]
Mar 04, 2013 (10:21 am)
The CTS doesn't have oil issues from a design standpoint. What is happening is that people need to learn that with an oil life monitor and synthetic oils, that the gauge usually will be telling you how much life/protection is left in it.
If you run it down to 0%, it's not time to change it. It's that your synthetic goo has turned into water in terms of protection capability. You should never let it get even remotely close to 0%.
#15717 of 16985 Re: CTS Lease [plekto]
Mar 04, 2013 (10:55 am)
If 0% trully means zero protection, the designer of CTS should be fired, because it's a poorly designed messaging system. It should be such that "zero" means "change now", because that's how normal person would understand the message. I trully doubt that is how it's designed.
As an engineer, I can tell you we work with factors of safety and other means to tell us that when the calculation shows an element is "over the limit" it does not mean "run and hide", it only means "do something to improve the situation". We NEVER design things to be on edge of destruction, whether it is a house, a bridge, or a machine. If we did, nobody would feel safe in them, as they would literally fall down somewhere, every day. Only things like spacecraft or similar "new frontier" items where risk calculation allows for safety factors to be cut to razor thin margins, would have "zero life left" mean "tell your wife you love her".
If you are telling the truth, CTS HAS oil issues - big ones.
#15718 of 16985 Re: CTS Lease [plekto]
Mar 04, 2013 (11:38 am)
The CTS owner's manual for 2013 shows that when the "Change Engine Oil" soon comes on, it should be changed with 600 miles and that the oil showed by changed at least once a year.
that the gauge usually will be telling you how much life/protection is left in it.
When the oil life percentage in my Explorer gets to 0%, Ford says to change the oil within 500 miles. That indicator has a level of safety built in.
#15719 of 16985 Re: CTS Lease [robr2]
Mar 04, 2013 (12:20 pm)
I think that, too. Can't imagine it any other way, really.
#15720 of 16985 It Seems That Many CTS Drivers. . .
Mar 04, 2013 (3:08 pm)
have engine lunching issues that have to do with excessive oil consumption that starts suddenly.
I've been monitoring the CTS engine issue board for many years, and thought at the beginning that the root of the situation was pampered moderately ignorant CTS drivers never manually checking their oil. Mostly that was true, but not always. Several people posted who seemed credible and checked their oil on a regular basis. At some point the engine started using a quart of oil every few hundred miles, and that was a disaster for the average "set it and forget it" driver who wouldn't know how to check or add oil to save their souls.
The 3.6 engine has serious issues, possibly related to the cam drive system, but in any event the symptom is sudden onset high oil consumption followed by engine failure. Too many people have outlined the same scenario for it to be made up and/or anecdotal isolated incidents.
#15721 of 16985 Re: It Seems That Many CTS Drivers. . . [cdnpinhead]
Mar 04, 2013 (4:14 pm)
Does this issue effect other cars at gm using the same motor - ?
#15722 of 16985 Re: It Seems That Many CTS Drivers. . . [cdnpinhead]
Mar 04, 2013 (4:23 pm)
"lunching issues that have to do with excessive oil consumption"
Yuck. I'll take Jersey Mikes any day but light on the oil.
#15723 of 16985 Re: CTS Lease [dino001]
Mar 04, 2013 (5:31 pm)
Hey Dino -
Do your Xenon lights make one straight path, or does the one on the right seem to be aimed lower?
I'm bringing my car in to have that checked out as well as a defective trunk latch. I'm coming up on my 1 year anniversary with my 328xi.