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#15661 of 16087 Acura TL by xrunner2

Feb 15, 2013 (7:21 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 15, 2013 7:04 pm)
I agree one should wait on an Acura product but not due to quality but to performance because the current line (awd TL included) is a dog and has been since the tsx and TL redues - it's amazing how long they have gone without producing a solid exciting sedan-
 
Well, the styling leaves a lot to be desired. Not sure that the current version is a "dog". Road and Track review of the top super handling TL has very good performance numbers and specs compared to BMW and others who have the "magic" RWD.. Wife and I having owned a 2001, now a 2004 and 2007, we are waiting for an "elegantly" styled and nicely performing next gen. Have driven the current gen as a loaner, agree with car magazine testers that steering and on-center is a problem compared to our 2004 and 2007. Will Acura have a redesigned Acura TL in 2014? Or, will it be later.

#15662 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [xrunner2] by sweendogy

Feb 15, 2013 (9:15 pm)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 15, 2013 7:21 pm)
Well look at the sales numbers and tell me they are not a dog. I would look again, now styling asides, and terrible by most accounts, BMW audi and Infiniti (don't dk about lex) make better cars then then TL. The tsx is a nice accord alternative but not a better car for thr price.
 
You and the wife can own as many TLs as you want but until acura makes a better TL they haven't had a good car since the previous TL (which you have oned, bravo)

#15663 of 16087 Re: RLX [sweendogy] by mlevine

Feb 16, 2013 (6:55 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 15, 2013 7:04 pm)
Acura seems to make good quality cars. They are solid vehicles, but honda has never been about being stylish. Initially when the M sedan came out it appears it was very popular. The recent generation M took a hit with its looks and transmission problems.

#15664 of 16087 Here you go Acura by nyccarguy

Feb 16, 2013 (7:31 am)

I know it isn't a luxury nameplate, but this Chevrolet SS looks promising.
 
Rear Wheel Drive
415 horsepower V8
Sport Tuned Chassis
Brembo Brakes
5 Second 0-60 mph time
"GM said handling is improved by a near 50/50 weight distribution and a low center of gravity — made possible in part by the aluminum hood and rear deck lid."
 
This looks to me like basically a sedan built on the Camaro Platform.
Offer this "sport tuned chassis" with the V8, & AWD and I'd most certainly give it a test drive. How much could this thing possibly cost? MSRP of what, $36K to $39K?

#15665 of 16087 Re: Here you go Acura [nyccarguy] by flightnurse

Feb 16, 2013 (8:39 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Feb 16, 2013 7:31 am)
NYCAR, GM has tried this many times and have failed, last time was with the G8. For this car to be successful, GM has to make sure that the car is screwed together correctly, and have a premium feel to it. The price is right thought.

#15666 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 16, 2013 (8:46 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 15, 2013 9:15 pm)
The tsx is a nice accord alternative but not a better car for thr price.
 
Sweeny even though the TSX is a European accord, it is not an alternative for the US accord. The US accord is more the size of the TL.

#15667 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 16, 2013 (9:00 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 16, 2013 8:46 am)
For the price it's an alternative, right? Same engines. Leather , parts., larger cheaper, newer -
 
I hope this GM SS brings the heat- I don't consider the Pontiac GT cars a failure- I think they were a casualty of poor management decisions at GM, unions and the economy tanking, lets not forget gm went bankrupt. Was it a little to late for Pontiac, yep. I don't know if the cars were a failure, as much as it was bad timing.

#15668 of 16087 Re: RLX [mlevine] by flightnurse

Feb 16, 2013 (9:09 am)

Replying to: mlevine (Feb 16, 2013 6:55 am)
The recent generation M took a hit with its looks and transmission problems.
 
The current M has a problem with looks? I dont think it has, the biggest problem Infiniti has really is MPG, the VQ V6 drinks a lot of gas, also the price of the M. Inifiniti prices their G lower than a BMW 3 series but the M is priced more...

#15669 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by plekto

Feb 16, 2013 (9:16 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 16, 2013 8:46 am)
The tsx is a nice accord alternative but not a better car for thr price.
  
Sweeny even though the TSX is a European accord, it is not an alternative for the US accord. The US accord is more the size of the TL.
 
The Accord that they sold in Japan until the model change this year was the same Accord that they sell in the rest of the world as the Accord.
 
Except in the U.S., where they called it the Acura TSX and charged a premium for it. What we got as the Accord over here is a car that's in-between the Civic and the Accord, called the Inspire. The Accord that we get over here now is a special-built car for the U.S. market and as such it still is a kind of bastardized car that's really not the same thing that they sell in Japan.
 
If you want the real "Accord", buy what they call the TSX like the rest of the world does. It's a far better vehicle than the over-sized mess that we are now getting. Personally, I'd take a CPO TSX over a new Accord. If I wanted a car that was that big and drove like the new Accord/TL, I'd buy a Buick or maybe a Toyota Avalon.

#15670 of 16087 Re: Here you go Acura [flightnurse] by nyccarguy

Feb 16, 2013 (10:59 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 16, 2013 8:39 am)
I used to be as anti GM as they come. In my eyes, they've really done a complete 180 compared to the garbage they put in the showroom in the '80s, '90s, & the better part of the '00s.
 
After 2 superb ownership experiences with BMW X5s (2004 & 2007), my Dad decided he wanted a bigger vehicle. He bought a 2010 LTZ Tahoe. After 2 years & 50,000 miles he traded it in & bought a 2011 LTZ Tahoe. After years of driving imports, my best friend bought a 2009 LTZ Tahoe & then traded it in on a 2011 Tahoe. Are they as we'll designed as the German or Japanese cars? No. GM does seem to be making great strides. Enough so that if one of their vehicles (like the SS) drives the way I like a car to drive, that I'd have no problem buying one.

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