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#15652 of 16087 Re: ATS Sighting> [sweendogy] by andys120

Feb 14, 2013 (10:10 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 13, 2013 7:13 pm)
also think (and seen) the largest caddy, forgot the name- is a looker as well.
 
Interesting that you forgot the name (XTS) but symptomatic of the mess they have made at Cadillac (and Lincoln as well as others) of naming the various
models. Nomenclature should be the easy part but they can't seem to get it right and when they do, they mess it up (ala BMW).

#15653 of 16087 Re: ATS Sighting> [andys120] by carnaught

Feb 14, 2013 (3:47 pm)

Replying to: andys120 (Feb 14, 2013 10:10 am)
You are SO right about the car nomenclature. Everything in Lincoln is a "Mark" (MK), and all Caddy's are "touring sedans".
 
I guess Continentals and DeVille's no longer have any cache .

#15654 of 16087 Re: ATS Sighting> [carnaught] by flightnurse

Feb 14, 2013 (5:54 pm)

Replying to: carnaught (Feb 14, 2013 3:47 pm)
Continentals and DeVille's are synonyms with old people and both GM and Ford do not want anything to do with that. Lincoln was always the sporty of the FMCo luxury divisions. Now, many people could make an argument about this that both Continentals and DeVille's made sporty/stylist cars. However, it appears that both companies have decided to go down different roads.
 
ATS, nice care, have been able to rent 2 of them, both with turbo's. Not as roomy inside as say a A4 or 3 series.
XTS, nice car, it is large, rented it once, over all, better then the car it replaces however, the V6 is weak in the car of its'size.

#15655 of 16087 Re: ATS Sighting> [flightnurse] by carnaught

Feb 14, 2013 (6:19 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 14, 2013 5:54 pm)
Continentals and DeVille's are synonyms with old people and both GM and Ford do not want anything to do with that.
 
Agreed, but it would be nice if they could remake that image. The "not your father's Oldsmobile" and "not your Uncle Olaf's Volvo" isn't always successful .

#15656 of 16087 Re: ATS Sighting> [carnaught] by sweendogy

Feb 14, 2013 (7:07 pm)

Replying to: carnaught (Feb 14, 2013 6:19 pm)
If I bought a new caddy , I would get an old school emblem from a deville or cineron - and slap that to the back, but i would not haphazardly do this - make it look good- would also consider a couple of headrest TVs. I miss car names as well.
 
I think the Cts-v is a great start to get youth into the showrooms - 500 hp monster that still comes in stick.
 
Lincoln on the other hand has a long way to go, besides changing the name of the company to bring youth into the showrooms . The new technology of its self driving car is pretty cool thou-

#15657 of 16087 Acura RLX - starting at $49,345 by rayainsw

Feb 15, 2013 (6:29 am)

I wonder what will 'trickle down'
to the next TL?
 
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/rlx/2014/road-test.html
 
- Ray
Acura used to be on my radar....

#15658 of 16087 $61,000 for the thing in FWD (only)? by markcincinnati

Feb 15, 2013 (12:48 pm)

I read the test report, today in USATODAY on-line, of the new Acura RLX. The price came in at $61,000. The thing is, this was a front-wheel-drive version and it was noted that the AWD version wouldn't be here 'til fall and that the way the thing got to AWD would be by the addition of two electric motors one each driving a rear wheel. Comment was that this would add complexity and cost (and a heavy battery pack.)
 
The car is probably every bit as nice to drive as Healy says it is, but for $61K you can get a very well equipped Audi A6 or BMW 5 (both of them AWD variants.) The Acura isn't ugly, it's just boring looking, too.
 
What were they thinking?
 
What will drift down to the new TLX (or whatever it is called)? Will the TL at least retain the availability of SH-AWD (I think only AWD TL's should be offered -- to really be in the ELLPS class)?
 
To my eye a top o' the line Passat looks more "premium" than the RLX (and the current TL -- and I know, I have one.)
 
What makes something belong to a certain class -- it seems the lines have become blurred somewhat. There is no way I would put this new RLX in the LPS class, despite a $61K MSRP (as tested.)
 
I thought too that Lincoln was having a case of wishful thinking when they wouldn't allow their new baby to be tested against an Avalon -- since the Lincoln folks clearly didn't want to see their new Lincoln Motorcar hanging out with the riff raff.
 
And, I do agree with a previous poster, that the Genesis certainly seems to pass the smell test insofar as it being able to pass as a premium or at least entry-level-premium, if such a thing exists.
 
I mentioned my airline pilot friend -- a long time BMW owner/driver -- got a Genesis R Spec hot on the heels of owning a BMW 5, and he loves it. He probably doesn't count though since he usually just goes from his house to the airport long term parking and back. A 5 series probably was overkill for his twice weekly commute.
 
In any case, I started out wondering who in the wide-wide-world of sports would pay $61K for a front-wheel-drive Acura. I don't see it.

#15659 of 16087 RLX by mlevine

Feb 15, 2013 (1:31 pm)

I would wait to see reviews on the RLX after it is out a year before buying it. Acura's key cars hace been the TSX, TL, and its SUV's. Not sure why they are have this model in the line-up. Infiniti finally got rid of the Q45 as it did not sell, and marketed the G and M series successfully.

#15660 of 16087 Re: RLX [mlevine] by sweendogy

Feb 15, 2013 (7:04 pm)

Replying to: mlevine (Feb 15, 2013 1:31 pm)
I agree one should wait on an Acura product but not due to quality but to performance because the current line (awd TL included) is a dog and has been since the tsx and TL redues - it's amazing how long they have gone without producing a solid exciting sedan- the mdx is in what it's 6th year in current form and by far it's best product- but I've been saying this for years. Yes Infiniti hit it right with the first g, the second even better- coupe convert and awd right in the form of what they are chasing - & somehow offering much more at price (dollar for dollar even the biggest BMW lover could not disagree) - they did it right lets hope the new q50 continues this but I will miss the g name. Dk much about the M or its impact- sure its a nice car but even as an Infiniti fan has it left a real mark? I don't know.

#15661 of 16087 Acura TL by xrunner2

Feb 15, 2013 (7:21 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 15, 2013 7:04 pm)
I agree one should wait on an Acura product but not due to quality but to performance because the current line (awd TL included) is a dog and has been since the tsx and TL redues - it's amazing how long they have gone without producing a solid exciting sedan-
 
Well, the styling leaves a lot to be desired. Not sure that the current version is a "dog". Road and Track review of the top super handling TL has very good performance numbers and specs compared to BMW and others who have the "magic" RWD.. Wife and I having owned a 2001, now a 2004 and 2007, we are waiting for an "elegantly" styled and nicely performing next gen. Have driven the current gen as a loaner, agree with car magazine testers that steering and on-center is a problem compared to our 2004 and 2007. Will Acura have a redesigned Acura TL in 2014? Or, will it be later.

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