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#15585 of 16087 Re: 320i [graphicguy] by flightnurse

Jan 30, 2013 (8:10 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Jan 30, 2013 6:42 am)
Graphic here in Phoenix the infiniti dealers have been taking $4500 off most G37s, maybe this is how they are selling so much, lets just discount them to a point that it makes sense to lease one over a BMW or Audi.

#15586 of 16087 Re: 320i [flightnurse] by dino001

Jan 30, 2013 (8:56 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jan 30, 2013 8:00 am)
So yes, it is relative. You expect prices to go up. But one expects also quality to at least remain, if not improve. I do not see this in new 3-series.
 
Well, replacing 330 with 335 few years back at similar price was a great deal, as 335 is much stronger than 330 and gas mileage was maintained if not improved. But the new 320 is going to be priced about same as previous 328 - and that is not a good deal. Especially because:
- the steering feedback on new 3-series is a step in WRONG direction
- quality of materials on new 3-series is clearly result of cost-cutting spree (chep "hard" switches, cheap "ratchet-like" feeling iDrive, cheap "hard" door latch from 80s).
- 50 horses was sent to pastures (180 vs 230), but you pay just about the same; you will gain miles per gallon, which some people will appreciate, but I find my E91 at 23-25 mpg on the daily commute satisfactory (not mindblowing, but decent).
 
I would consider 320 a good deal, but at price point about 5 grand below. And the got to fix the steering, the interior feel and the damn door latch.

#15587 of 16087 Q50 press kit by rayainsw

Jan 30, 2013 (9:33 am)

A lot of information here, for those who care:
 
http://infinitinews.com/en-US/infiniti/usa/presskits/us-2014-infiniti-q50-press-- kit
 
- Ray
Still a BMW driver...

#15588 of 16087 Re: 320i [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Jan 30, 2013 (11:08 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jan 30, 2013 8:10 am)
Wow imagine if you just signed a deal to buy a 57k automatic 335x - I'm sure that cats accountant would be pissed.
 
Dollars make sense - remember this is Elpps -

#15589 of 16087 New Q50 thoughts by mlevine

Jan 30, 2013 (3:38 pm)

Having owned infiniti vehicles in the past, I always like to see and test drive the new vehicles when they come out. I recently looked at the JX this past December. For the money the inetrior and options were great. The drive was very sluggish without any guts. About 2 years ago looked at the M37 with interior and options great, but transmission did not shift well. Test drove the QX56 great pickup and great vehicle. Based on infiniti's trend the inside of the Q50 showed be very appealing. My concern is how it will drive as I am concerned about the transmission, only a test drive will answer that question. I find one cannot compare Japanese vehicle to German vehicle. They are very different and both have its positives and negatives.

#15590 of 16087 Another ELLPS enters the ring.... by graphicguy

Feb 04, 2013 (10:03 am)

I actually like this one....
 
http://wot.motortrend.com/2014-mercedes-benz-cla-chased-by-a-wolf-in-new-ad-3228- 21.html

#15591 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [graphicguy] by robr2

Feb 04, 2013 (10:07 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 04, 2013 10:03 am)
It's FWD biased so it'll be dismissed here....

#15592 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [robr2] by nyccarguy

Feb 04, 2013 (12:56 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Feb 04, 2013 10:07 am)
The problem I see with this CLA & every other car in this class is the 29,900 starting price. Add 4 matic, Navigation, Xenon Headlights, Distronic Cruise Control, sunroof, nice wheels... Like they'll have them loaded up on the auto show floors & in the showroom & $29,900 becomes $45K+ very quickly.

#15593 of 16087 More on the CLA by nyccarguy

Feb 04, 2013 (1:18 pm)

Turbo 4cyl
208 hp/258 lb ft torque
7 Speed Dual Clutch Automatic
 
How much does it weigh?
When are they going to put a "build your own CLA" on MBUSA's site?
 
I'll wait to judge until I see some (unbiased) write ups.

#15594 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [nyccarguy] by robr2

Feb 04, 2013 (2:01 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Feb 04, 2013 12:56 pm)
The problem I see with this CLA & every other car in this class is the 29,900 starting price. Add 4 matic, Navigation, Xenon Headlights, Distronic Cruise Control, sunroof, nice wheels... Like they'll have them loaded up on the auto show floors & in the showroom & $29,900 becomes $45K+ very quickly.$50K.
 
Much in the same way that a $35K 3 series of C class hits $50K.
 
The CLA - and soon the new 1 series and A3 - are designed to bring MB, BMW and Audi back a few years in price and size to where the next generation of buyers can afford them. I'll wager that more than 50% of the CLA will be FWD with MB TEX and be offered at $259 a month.

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