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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jan 24, 2013 (7:43 pm)
Opps, I was wrong,
#15571 of 16087 Re: 320i [flightnurse]
Jan 24, 2013 (8:41 pm)
Yep not the first time - understand the BMW love but let's be real, one time. Love opinions but have to be fact based- leasing numbers, o-60 times, pricing, transmission talk - it's black and white. Can't wait to meet you at the 5 guys near Jacob Jarvis march 29th.
Jan 25, 2013 (7:01 am)
Hey- I might join you guys, is the 29th the last day of the show?
I usually wait for the last day which is the Sunday.
Jan 25, 2013 (9:11 am)
Sweeny there is more to a car than 0-60 and if you want to talk about leases, BMW has one of the highest resale value. What is funny, many people here including yourself posted how the ATS V6 was faster than the 335i, which all car mag have disproved. The thing that makes a BMW a BMW is how all the parts work together, just as they do in a Porsche. In many GM cars, including the ATS and C6 Vette, there is some disconnect.
Infiniti has to hit a home run with this new Q50...
IN regards to meeting, I haven't set my dates yet, this should happen in a week or two.
#15574 of 16087 Re: 320i [flightnurse]
Jan 25, 2013 (10:57 am)
Will touch on a couple of PTs here- Q50 we have no idea if this car is good at all because it has yet to be driven- infact the specs have not been formed - is it going to have a 4 cyl at some pt. performance numbers and pricing?
Can't argue that BMW and Porsche knows where to put the pieces. Great cars.
On the Ats comment above- this is where you get into trouble with being factual. ( You can search yourself) I did a search for me talking about the ATS- and have never said what you quote. I understand you want to be right and have passion for cars- but again use facts not imagination when commenting . It throws people off and is distracting .
Car show should be fun- 5 guys - I'm buying
Jan 25, 2013 (11:51 am)
I go every year on Easter Sunday. Get there at 10:00 AM when the doors open. By the time I'm ready to leave 12:30 - 1:00, it starts to get super crowded.
Jan 29, 2013 (1:31 pm)
Well I would agree that there are no test reports pertaining to the Q50 -- or if there are, I can't find them or don't have the time to look.
But I thought the specs were revealed. I know that I printed out the current G dimensions (wheel base, overall length and width, etc.) Also somewhere there is a discussion of the two engines the thing will offer on day one -- including HP and torque.
My admittedly fuzzy recollection: Q50, same wheelbase as G37; Q50, 2" wider than G, Q50 about 2" longer than Q. Same 7 speed transmission in the Q50 as was in the G37 -- and that is the only transmission offered. Same 3.7L engine in the Q50 as was/is in the G; the hybrid uses a 3.5L engine -- similar to the set up in the M37 and the M hybrid.
Q50 can be had in both engine variants with AWD.
Now, insofar as the full run down of specs (like can be found about the G37), I have not been able to find a source for these specs pertaining to the Q50.
Overall, the new Q50 will be longer and wider and probably "feel" like a major size upgrade over the G37's.
I assume the Q50 will be a slightly smaller, more agile, quicker version of the M37 -- or a slightly larger, more agile, quicker version of the G37.
I am looking forward to driving one -- hopefully the sport package includes beefier springs, struts/shocks, anti-sway bars and brakes, in addition to sport seats and a steering wheel with paddle shifters.
I see no big deal in the dropping of a manual transmission. The up take on manual transmission versions was probably less than 3 or 4% in any case. My assumption is Infiniti let the stick shifts go due to market apathy.
I would expect a small price increase -- real, but not huge (not yet anyway.)
#15577 of 16087 Re: 320i [markcincinnati]
Jan 29, 2013 (2:04 pm)
Q50 is bigger than G, 50 seems also quite a high number (by their own new naming strategy, it is about half way between 10 and 99). I'd bet there is a model below this one, (Q30?) coming (smaller size, engine would give them better fuel economy credits and some ability to capture market segment below current G). If so, Q50 may be priced much higher than you think. Everything is going up. If 320 can be priced at 45 grand (with options), who knows where this can go.
Jan 29, 2013 (2:32 pm)
Dinio I would agree that the Q50 is going to be higher in price, and that a smaller car will be placed under the Q50. Something like 1 series or A3. Now in regards to pricing of the 320i, a fully loaded 320i is $46K, Nav is a stand- alone option on the car, I would guess that most people would go for a 320i with Premium package, and Nav, which is 40K. But you can get a 320i well equipped for under 40K,
Jan 29, 2013 (2:40 pm)
According to Infiniti's web page, the drive-train of the Q50 is a carry over, so performance should be able the same, maybe a little faster or a little slower.
Many people stated that the ATS was going to be a faster car because it made more HP in both turbo and V6 models, however, all the mag's have shown that the BMW turbo 4 and turbo 6 are faster.
The Germans know how to put a car together, they feel that all parts work together, this is the problem with other cars makers, maybe with the exception of the Italian high end cars. I hope the Q50 is a great car, competition is good for everybody and only makes things better in the long run. Yes, prices are going up and ALL cars. It will be interesting to see what the top of line Q50 will go for with all the technology they plan for it.