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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jan 17, 2013 (8:56 am)
Wow, the pricing on F30 is simply outrageous.
I optioned 320i to "dino's minimum": red (metallic), sports and premium package and split fold down back seats (must - THEY ARE STILL $500 OPTION ) and you fly by 40 grand on the sticker (around $41K). No sunroof yet (another grand). Add that, Navigation, xenons, anti theft, BMW Assist to roughly match my E90 wagon you get over $45K on the sticker, just about thousand less than my wagon's sticker (and that's "new" car, so don't expect big discounts). And that is for 50 hp less, four cylinder (rather than 6), no automatic headlight, no homelink, less metal, they want just about the same price.
Granted, my wagon was last year of the platform, leather was "free", but still. Just amazing what some people think their product is worth. I'm pretty sure the market will verify some of that pricing wishful thinking. Can only imagine those lease deals.
#15529 of 16984 Re: Checked 320 [dino001]
Jan 17, 2013 (9:40 am)
I really thought you guys were talking about a 320 diesel.
#15530 of 16984 Re: Checked 320 [qbrozen]
Jan 17, 2013 (9:55 am)
Holy cow! When I did the "build your own" for the 320xi, it came to a few bucks shy of $40K!
Cannot get the cold weather package w/o getting leather, it seems.
Wonder if BMW would consider putting in the 180HP turbo 4 into the 1-series?
#15531 of 16984 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse]
Jan 17, 2013 (9:58 am)
Probably Sween, its right in his backyard ( the NYC Auto Show).
#15532 of 16984 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse]
Jan 17, 2013 (9:59 am)
I'll be at the ny auto show as well- need to check out the new Infiniti- prob get mine ordered while I'm there . They have a tasty 5 guys near there - we can meet up.
On the BMW 320 - if it's over 40k it's official BMW has jumped the shark. Why not just get a tsx wagon and call it a day.
#15533 of 16984 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse]
Jan 17, 2013 (10:06 am)
I'll be at the ny auto show as well- need to check out the new Infiniti- prob get mine ordered while I'm there . They have a tasty 5 guys near there - we can meet up. I'm going on the Sunday.
On the BMW 320 wagon-iif it's over 40k it's official BMW has jumped the shark. Why not just get a tsx wagon and call it a day.
#15534 of 16984 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [sweendogy]
Jan 17, 2013 (10:11 am)
The wagon will still be sold as 328i, I believe. I may be wrong about that, though.
Jan 17, 2013 (10:33 am)
I looked closer and it seems it's getting stranger by a minute. 320i uses 2 liter turbo with 180 hp 5000 rpm. 328i uses same 2 liter turbo with 240 hp 5000-6000 rpm. That's 70 hp from same displacement. The spec page shows torque of 184 lb-ft (320) vs. 255 lb-ft (328) as similar revolution range. Those are big differences. Acceleration 0-60 is 7.1 sec vs. 5.8 sec, but I bet it looks completely different for 50-80 mph, which is much better measure of driving experience (European magazines test this), basically showing passing ability and strength against wind resistance.
So unless the gas mileage gain is trully significant, I see this trim failing miserably. I suspect they introduced it only to get better CAFE and to justify even more price hikes on 328 and 335.
#15536 of 16984 Re: 320i [dino001]
Jan 17, 2013 (10:35 am)
320i uses 2 liter turbo with 180 hp 5000 rpm. 328i uses same 2 liter turbo with 240 hp 5000-6000 rpm
Same engine, different tuning.
I suspect they introduced it only to get better CAFE and to justify even more price hikes on 328 and 335.
I think they are introducing this trim in order to increase the selling/leasing price of the 328 and to increase unit sales for bragging rights.
One can lease the 328i today at $369. Let's say the 320i leases at $349. Then it gives BMW the room to move the 328i to $399 a month while still offering the frugal buyers the 320i for $50 a month less.
#15537 of 16984 Re: 320i [robr2]
Jan 17, 2013 (10:41 am)
I know, it is the tuning. But it seems to me, such move will be justifiable, if fuel economy gains are substantial. So far, they are "TBD".
I'not a lease buyer (not that I'm against them, just never found one I liked, as wagons don't have same level of subsidy as sedans), so I can't comment if $50 per month is ther right level. Leases can be done at almost any payment level, what counts for me is the sticker and street price. Loaded 320i at 45 grand, almost as much as my E90 328 was, is jumping the shark.