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#15526 of 16088 BMW 320i and Wagon by flightnurse

Jan 17, 2013 (9:25 am)

According to my BMW dealership you can order a 320i starting in Feb with a March del date. You can build one on BMW website, I believe they have done it right, both Auto and Manuel are no charge, Limited colors and interior, limited options, one can be had for under 40K that is almost fully loaded. Would be interesting to see what Dinan can do with the engine, 180hp is OK, but 240 is even nicer...
 
Now in regards to the wagon, my dealer tells me that the wagon will not be imported, however, it is on BMW USA website. I'll find out myself Sat when I'm at the Detroit Auto Show.
 
I'm in the planning stage of going to the NY Auto show, and one in the NY area planning on going? would be nice to go through it with other car enthusiast...

#15527 of 16088 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse] by dino001

Jan 17, 2013 (9:32 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jan 17, 2013 9:25 am)
I would believe the website, not the dealer on the wagon. It is clearly in "Future Vehicles" tab, not "concepts". I think there will also be 3-series GT coming to the US, as well. I love my wagon so much, I'd not get the new one, but if they sell 335i GT with manual, that's the one I could consider buying instead of my wagon. I think 335i is likely, just as 5-series GT is only sold in higher output engine versions (535 and 550). Manual - that may or may not come. If they keep it in line with rest of 335 offerings, it should be available, but no saying for sure.
 
320i - that's news to me. I got to check it out. Not that I'd buy, but it is curious. It basically means they think the market is ready for low-powered BMW.

#15528 of 16088 Checked 320 by dino001

Jan 17, 2013 (9:56 am)

Wow, the pricing on F30 is simply outrageous.
 
I optioned 320i to "dino's minimum": red (metallic), sports and premium package and split fold down back seats (must - THEY ARE STILL $500 OPTION ) and you fly by 40 grand on the sticker (around $41K). No sunroof yet (another grand). Add that, Navigation, xenons, anti theft, BMW Assist to roughly match my E90 wagon you get over $45K on the sticker, just about thousand less than my wagon's sticker (and that's "new" car, so don't expect big discounts). And that is for 50 hp less, four cylinder (rather than 6), no automatic headlight, no homelink, less metal, they want just about the same price.
 
Granted, my wagon was last year of the platform, leather was "free", but still. Just amazing what some people think their product is worth. I'm pretty sure the market will verify some of that pricing wishful thinking. Can only imagine those lease deals.

#15529 of 16088 Re: Checked 320 [dino001] by qbrozen

Jan 17, 2013 (10:40 am)

Replying to: dino001 (Jan 17, 2013 9:56 am)
dammit!
I really thought you guys were talking about a 320 diesel.

#15530 of 16088 Re: Checked 320 [qbrozen] by michaell

Jan 17, 2013 (10:55 am)

Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 17, 2013 10:40 am)
Holy cow! When I did the "build your own" for the 320xi, it came to a few bucks shy of $40K!
 
Cannot get the cold weather package w/o getting leather, it seems.
 
Wonder if BMW would consider putting in the 180HP turbo 4 into the 1-series?

#15531 of 16088 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse] by billyperksii

Jan 17, 2013 (10:58 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jan 17, 2013 9:25 am)
Probably Sween, its right in his backyard ( the NYC Auto Show).

#15532 of 16088 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Jan 17, 2013 (10:59 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jan 17, 2013 9:25 am)
I'll be at the ny auto show as well- need to check out the new Infiniti- prob get mine ordered while I'm there . They have a tasty 5 guys near there - we can meet up.
 
On the BMW 320 - if it's over 40k it's official BMW has jumped the shark. Why not just get a tsx wagon and call it a day.

#15533 of 16088 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Jan 17, 2013 (11:06 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jan 17, 2013 9:25 am)
I'll be at the ny auto show as well- need to check out the new Infiniti- prob get mine ordered while I'm there . They have a tasty 5 guys near there - we can meet up. I'm going on the Sunday.
 
On the BMW 320 wagon-iif it's over 40k it's official BMW has jumped the shark. Why not just get a tsx wagon and call it a day.

#15534 of 16088 Re: BMW 320i and Wagon [sweendogy] by dino001

Jan 17, 2013 (11:11 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Jan 17, 2013 11:06 am)
The wagon will still be sold as 328i, I believe. I may be wrong about that, though.

#15535 of 16088 320i by dino001

Jan 17, 2013 (11:33 am)

I looked closer and it seems it's getting stranger by a minute. 320i uses 2 liter turbo with 180 hp 5000 rpm. 328i uses same 2 liter turbo with 240 hp 5000-6000 rpm. That's 70 hp from same displacement. The spec page shows torque of 184 lb-ft (320) vs. 255 lb-ft (328) as similar revolution range. Those are big differences. Acceleration 0-60 is 7.1 sec vs. 5.8 sec, but I bet it looks completely different for 50-80 mph, which is much better measure of driving experience (European magazines test this), basically showing passing ability and strength against wind resistance.
 
So unless the gas mileage gain is trully significant, I see this trim failing miserably. I suspect they introduced it only to get better CAFE and to justify even more price hikes on 328 and 335.

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