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#15508 of 16984 Re: Diesels [dino001]
Jan 13, 2013 (9:41 am)
Okay Dino maks more sense now.
I don't think the American market was closest to natural as diesels have not been offered here due to overegulation, I do agree that the playing field was/ is uneven in Europe though, I would guess the percentages for diesel in the fleet would be somewhere around 15-20% or maybe a bit higher if everything was even in terms of fuel taxes etc, I think people are used to gas engines and how they run, that said the torque low down and the low revs of the engine will appeal to a lot of people as well, the fuel economy is still better ( though the gap has closed). In any case as more non VW mainstream diesel's get here we will see if there is a market for them or not, right now we can only guess, I know I like my small diesel, though I wouldn't mind getting something a little larger ( the size of a Mazda 3 or so) with a diesel and probably getting close to the milage I am getting with my smart diesel. I did grow up with European cars so am used ota smaller engine than most Americans/Canadians, so accept a smaller more efficient engine better than some. In any case each to his own, I am just happy to see some diesels coming here, and looking forward to seeing how they sell and how they are rated for fuel economy etc.
#15509 of 16984 Re: Diesels [scwmcan]
Jan 13, 2013 (11:07 am)
I agree there may be a anti-diesel bias in emission regularions here, so it is fair to say there would have been more of them in smaller vehicles, if not for it. Considering Europe has 50% penetration through heavy regulation, US has nearly zero, also due to bias, 10-20% "natural" penetration makes sense to me, if regs were left neutral. There are legitimate uses for diesel in smaller vehicles, mostly in high mileage highway application, a bit less in city, but still. Cabs, minivans, some SUVs, especially those used hauling boats, or outdoors/off-road. Anything that hints severe operaton, heavy duty, long running times. Diesels last longest when kept warm, virtually on at all time, running at constant speeds.
#15511 of 16984 Re: Diesels [dino001]
Jan 13, 2013 (6:05 pm)
Again, just an opinion, but based on some general engineering priciples I use at work in another field (structures).
I respect your general comments, but I think you need to take blind opinion-ism and replace it with a little more objective research and analysis. For example:
According to NADA, the retail resale value of a 2008 Mercedes E320 CDI with 75,000 miles is $26,065. The resale value of the same E350 is $22,925. The E550, $27,750. If you increase the mileage to 120,000, the CDI begins to approach the E550 resale and is well ahead of the E350.
There is no doubt in my mind, based upon everything from objective resale values, to experience of friends and colleagues, to what I have heard and read from both mechanics and mechanical engineers, that the current Mercedes Bluetec and BMW diesels are MORE durable and less likely to require major repairs than their gasoline counterparts, especially in high mileage use.
You are entitled to form your opinions on whatever biases you may have, but I think a bit of actual research may prove them to be incorrect.
Jan 14, 2013 (5:34 pm)
While others post albeit interesting posts on porshe and gms corvette - a few ellps have been announced today. Yep the new Infiniti, MB and Lexus. Just want to make sure we are all in the same chat here.
#15513 of 16984 Re: New Ellps [sweendogy]
Jan 14, 2013 (5:42 pm)
Thanks for keeping us on track sweendogy;)
I saw a pic of a "320i" on BMW's Facebook page. Anybody know what the specs are on that?
#15515 of 16984 Chipping & Tuning
Jan 14, 2013 (8:47 pm)
So have the likes of Dinan & Turner Motorsports started extracting more power from BMW's 2.0 L Turbo 4? Maybe this 320i will be the decontented model enthusiasts want. If the 328i can be chipped, then I'm sure a 320i can as well.
#15517 of 16984 Re: Chipping & Tuning [flightnurse]
Jan 15, 2013 (8:09 am)
FN...thanks for the links. Have to see the 'vette in person, but on paper, it looks really good. Plus, they've given it some nice performance updates...even the base model.
Diesels just don't sell in this country. Lots of reasons for that....some valid...some not. Again, with the advancements in gasoline power, and hybrid technology (as well as electric cars) I don't think diesels will be anything but a niche, at best, here.