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#15346 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [plekto] by flightnurse

Dec 10, 2012 (12:16 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Dec 09, 2012 12:15 am)
I have to say this has been an interesting threat about the IMS failure, I have extended my search for my fun car between the NSX and a Boxster S, now I am aware of the IMS failure, I know what I'm getting myself into. From the readings here it seems that the IMS should be replaced as a failure will happen at some point and the cost of the replacement is much less then the cost of a new engine.
 
So if porsche is aware of the problem why haven't they helped owners out like Acura had done with the Snap Ring on the NSX?

#15347 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [flightnurse] by fedlawman

Dec 10, 2012 (12:21 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Dec 10, 2012 12:16 pm)
Dont know. Could be the general European attitude about planned obsolescence. Who knows?
 
The nice thing about the IMS issue is you can get an older Boxster for pennies, do the upgrade and end up with a really fine sports car for cheap.
 
Ive been toying with the idea of doing this just to keep the miles off my 911.

#15348 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [fedlawman] by flightnurse

Dec 10, 2012 (12:33 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 10, 2012 12:13 pm)
I would think that Porsche could pay for the replacement of the IMS to the upgraded one for no cost, this would go a long way in customer relations and if an engine needed to be replaced because of the IMS, Porsche could pay for half or 3/4 of price tag. I'm not too sure how I would feel if I paid 85K for my new (2007) Porsche and 5 years later at 75K miles (or so) needed to spend 20K on a new engine because of a part that Porsche knew would fail... I'm surprised no law suits have been files over this.

#15349 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [fedlawman] by flightnurse

Dec 10, 2012 (12:38 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 10, 2012 12:21 pm)
Could be the general European attitude about planned obsolescence
 
I'm not too sure if this is really case or that the attitude has changed to have this happen. MB build theirs to last look at the W126 series S class. They are tanks, well build and have lasted. But of course this meant people weren't trading in their S class's as often and MB wasn't selling the cars they wanted.
 
In regards to the Boxster, this is why I have been looking at them. One can get a 2005-07 at a good price. Spent 2500 for the replacement of the IMS and have a car that will last a while...

#15350 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [flightnurse] by fedlawman

Dec 10, 2012 (4:50 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Dec 10, 2012 12:38 pm)
All you have to do is look at a new BMW, Audi, Range Rover, etc. to see that the Euro manufacturers obviously dont want the owner servicing the vehicle.
 
We are supposed to buy new from the dealer, drive for 3 or 4 years, then trade in on another new one.

#15351 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [flightnurse] by fedlawman

Dec 10, 2012 (4:53 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Dec 10, 2012 12:38 pm)
I drove a W140 S Class for 3 years. it was the last of the great Mercedes tanks IMO. What a fantastic boat!

#15352 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [fedlawman] by flightnurse

Dec 10, 2012 (5:02 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 10, 2012 4:53 pm)
LOL, I didn't like the style of the W140's as much as I did the W126s.

#15353 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [fedlawman] by flightnurse

Dec 10, 2012 (5:04 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 10, 2012 4:50 pm)
That really can be said about any manufacture these days. Our Genesis or our neighbor's new Altama. Yes, you can check all fluid levels and add if needed, but that is really about it.

#15354 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [fedlawman] by graphicguy

Dec 12, 2012 (8:22 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 10, 2012 4:50 pm)
We are supposed to buy new from the dealer, drive for 3 or 4 years, then trade in on another new one.
 
I concur. I'd even throw the Japanese Lux brands into that mix. They certainly don't want the shadetree mechanic messing with the car.
 
I know I used to do my own tuneups (now, you just change the plugs), oil changes (if you can find the oil filler tube, today), and brake jobs on all of my cars.
 
It's too much of a hassle, now. Many times, it takes specialized tools.
 
They like turning their inventory over new, and 4 years as used, "Dealer Maintained" cars, while you sign the dotted line for a new one.
 
Personally, I'm not that brand loyal. I think the only model I've owned more than once would be an Acura TL and BMW 3 series.
 
All the people I've known that have owned Porsches (3 of them) swear by their reliability and robust build. Can't disagree with them as they seem to stick with Porsches once it's time for a new one.

#15355 of 16087 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [graphicguy] by nyccarguy

Dec 12, 2012 (9:30 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 12, 2012 8:22 am)
Like fedlawman said, it is a shame that $30, $40, $50K cars are considered disposable in our society. Many people only see the out of warranty repair cost or maintenance cost & not the cost of depreciation.
 
Today's cars are extremely complex. I have a thought in the back of my mind that I might buy the lease out on my 2011 328xi. If I do so, I'd like to be prepared. So I went & bought some Mobil 1 0W-40, a Mann Filter, & an oil filter wrench. I looked up how to change the oil on an E90 & found plenty of posts & how to videos. Then I get ready, drive my car up on to a 2 x 4 so I can get a look see. And there is a metal plate covering the underside of my engine to get to the oil drain plug. In order to get to it, I'm going to have to now find a way to raise the car. Dealers charge a lot of money to repair & maintain European cars. I really don't know how much less expensive using an independent shop would be. They still have to pay competent mechanics a good wage, pay over head, plus parts.
 
Regarding Porsches. My Mom has had her 2011 Cayenne V6 for almost 2 years. She's racked up over 40K miles already & loves it. Maintenance costs are through the roof though (they wanted 300+ to rotate the tires & another $300+ for an alignment). So much so that she has the maintenance done at our local BMW Dealer.

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