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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15326 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [plekto]
Dec 06, 2012 (11:03 am)
they still haven't really fixed the problem with the output shaft bearings
My understanding is that the infamous Intermediate Shaft bearing failures were cured when they eliminated the entire part with the adoption of the 997 motor circa 2007. I don't think this problem ever affected the 987s (Cayman and Boxster after 2005)
#15327 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [plekto]
Dec 06, 2012 (11:12 am)
It sounds to me like you might be interested in the new Scion/Subaru coupes.
Once again, personal preferences. I still like playing baseball with 20- and 30- somethings, but I'm a couple decades and entire headset past wanting to have something that would characterize me as a boy racer. I'll pay up and forego that $10k difference. No argument that Porsche pricing isn't a little painful...they didn't become the most profitable car company on the planet by accident. But, to their credit, the craftsmanship and engineering is right up there with the best on the planet. I sometimes wish Honda had evolved their S2000 into an S3500, but for now, there really isn't anything in a sports car format that appeals to me as much as the Cayman and/or 911. So I guess I'll pay up for that preference as well.
The good news is that they did fix the rear main seal leak, if that is what you are referring to. Some time ago, in fact. I had a 2005 911S (997) and it didn't drip a drop of oil in 5.5 years and 30k+ miles. That problem pretty much went out the door with the 996 model of 911 and the pre-2008 (I think) Boxsters and Caymans. My independent Porsche mechanic has a 2007 Cayman with 120k+ miles that looks brand new, and he would claim it was all about proper break in.
#15328 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [habitat1]
Dec 06, 2012 (12:43 pm)
I believe if honda dropped a V6 in the S2000 it would have lost it's handling characteristics that made it what it was.
#15329 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [flightnurse]
Dec 06, 2012 (1:14 pm)
Probably right. Better to leave well enough alone, and simply reminisce about what a mere $32k bought me in 2001
#15330 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [flightnurse]
Dec 06, 2012 (1:51 pm)
What if they put that 6 in the trunk- ?
#15331 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [sweendogy]
Dec 06, 2012 (2:01 pm)
....and called it a Boxster??
#15332 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [habitat1]
Dec 06, 2012 (5:40 pm)
Only if they marked it up 15k, because they are the most profitable company in the world.
#15333 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [habitat1]
Dec 06, 2012 (10:49 pm)
what a mere $32k bought me in 2001
what would be 41.8K in today's dollars (ouch)...or 10K less than a BASE Cayman.
#15334 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [ivan_99]
Dec 07, 2012 (12:44 am)
It's good to hear that they finally fixed the issue to a certain extent, but the issue was only finally fixed in 2009. All Porsche designs that use the intermediate shaft design are going to fail. Not if, but when. Sure, they did other tricks to keep the things lasting a bit longer, but the overall design itself was rubbish.
Just something to keep in mind when you think about buying a "2 to 3 year old Cayman". Be *sure* it's a 2009 or newer model, since the engines are horrendously expensive to fix.
#15335 of 16982 Re: Preferences vs. "Better" [plekto]
Dec 07, 2012 (6:19 am)
Not sure where you got your Porsche expertise, but you aren't related to my brother in law, are you? As a union electrical contractor, he is essentially forced to buy GM or Ford or suffer career consequences. So he comes up with comments like "I'd be holding my breath" on expensive repairs, mechanical failures, etc. when I bought a 911S back in 2005. As it turned out, he went through two Cadillac Escalades in the 5 1/2 years I had the 911, took massive depreciation hits on both, had POS quality issues with each, and had to actually sue his GM dealer over warrant repairs that were faulty. I had 3-4 oil changes and 1-2 minor warranty repairs that were all handled professionally. Yes, Porsche hourly service rates are definitely higher than Joe Goodwrench. But fortunately, I didn't need to use them, other than for a few oil changes. And my experience, as well as that of my colleagues, has been consistent with the fact that Porsche and Lexus have been interchanging top spots for quality and reliability the past several years.
If you have had first hand Porsche experience to the contrary, sorry to hear that. Porsche is good, but by no means perfect, and the pre-2005 996 RMS issues were not handled as well as they should have been. But, if you are related to my brother in law and perhaps have an axe to grind against someone who prefers Porsche to Scion, that's not my issue to address.