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#15013 of 16087 Re: Let me ask a question [habitat1] by robr2

Oct 07, 2012 (7:32 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 07, 2012 12:24 pm)
Yet last week I drove a 2001 BMW M5 with 120,000 miles on the odometer that a friend just bought from the original owner. This car drives better, with fewer rattles, than any 2 year old Caddy sitting on your local dealer lot. The paint looks better than a brand new Caddy.
 
That is true. But how will a 2013 BMW compare with a 2013 Cadillac in 10 years? Past performance is not always an indicator of future performance.

#15014 of 16087 Habitat by nyccarguy

Oct 07, 2012 (7:42 pm)

Just curious, did your friend tell you how much he paid for his well maintained example of an E39 M5?

#15015 of 16087 Re: Let me ask a question [robr2] by habitat1

Oct 07, 2012 (7:54 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Oct 07, 2012 7:32 pm)
Past performance is not always an indicator of future performance.
 
That's what keeps me showing up at the golf course trying to break par. But I'm not necessarily prepared to plop my money down on a GM product, hoping that they suddenly find the short grass when they have spent most of the last 40 years knee deep in the rough.

#15016 of 16087 Re: Habitat [nyccarguy] by habitat1

Oct 07, 2012 (7:58 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Oct 07, 2012 7:42 pm)
Something in the $20k range - higher than blue book, but it was in exceptional condition and owner just had full service and four new tires.

#15017 of 16087 Re: 3-series [fedlawman] by qbrozen

Oct 07, 2012 (8:11 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 07, 2012 4:19 pm)
I know BMW corrected this in later model years, but I've never seen it in real life before.
 
Oh, its pretty much a given on the N54 cars. But he didn't have to leave the track. Just back out of it for a half lap or so to let it cool off a bit. Still, it sucks. I have a larger oil cooler in the garage now that I have to get around to installing this winter. Being an '07, his might not have any factory oil cooler (depending on build date and sport or nonsport, I believe), which is even worse. The n54 cars without the oil cooler are just doomed at the track.

#15018 of 16087 Re: So is the BMW 328i better then the ATS? [flightnurse] by markcincinnati

Oct 08, 2012 (8:16 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Oct 07, 2012 11:50 am)
Who -- at Infiniti -- said that Infiniti is happy where they are? I don't know any car company that would publically say something like that. Moreover, I think all car companies have financial objectives that they must meet or top management will be booted.
 
Why would Infiniti be any "happier" than Cadillac or BMW or Audi, etc, at "staying where they are?"
 
 

#15019 of 16087 Re: So is the BMW 328i better then the ATS? [markcincinnati] by sweendogy

Oct 08, 2012 (10:17 am)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 08, 2012 8:16 am)
mark - you are correct in the statements... that statement and the one about the G37 manual is aimed at me.. just jabs, no knockout blows because they are baseless and completly off topic-

#15020 of 16087 Re: So is the BMW 328i better then the ATS? [markcincinnati] by ivan_99

Oct 08, 2012 (10:44 am)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 08, 2012 8:16 am)
I took the "happy" comment that they, Infinti, conceded in trying to reign-in the sports luxury crown from BMW, from various publications, and are instead concerned only with sales.
 
Maybe with the theory: who cares who wins the comparisons if our sales (profit margin) are superior. It could be argued that BMW is also following this philosophy.

#15021 of 16087 Re: So is the BMW 328i better then the ATS? [markcincinnati] by flightnurse

Oct 08, 2012 (11:02 am)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 08, 2012 8:16 am)
Bill, no one said it outloud, however, look at what the G is on paper...
 
G sits on Nissans FM platform, the engine sits behind the front wheels to help in balance, , a stout V6 engine makes 332HP, RWD, A pretty good formula to start with, not many sport sedans have this combo, but for some reason Infiniti falls short. Why is that? The chassis is stiff, but Infiniti for the last years just havn't been able to get the combo on, steering, ride, balance and feed back that BMW has been known for. To me it feels that Infiniti doesn't care really. I'm sure Nissan has taken apart many 3 series to see how all the parts work so well together.. Maybe in the next Gen Nissan will finally get all the parts to work together.

#15022 of 16087 Re: Audi pics [graphicguy] by tdbmd

Oct 08, 2012 (1:21 pm)

Replying to: graphicguy (Jun 17, 2012 7:58 pm)
I love the S line Audis, but too much cash for me. I looked at them before settling on a lightly used CTS AWD.

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