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#15008 of 16087 3-series by fedlawman

Oct 07, 2012 (4:19 pm)

Oh yeah, I went to a DE day a couple of weeks ago and one of the guys in my run group had a 2007 335i. During our first session, I saw him leave the track after 4 laps. After the run, I asked what was wrong and he told me his car went into "limp mode."
 
I know BMW corrected this in later model years, but I've never seen it in real life before. To think that this could ever happen to a BMW is just sad. Times have changed and the sports sedan is dead.

#15009 of 16087 Re: Let me ask a question [fedlawman] by plekto

Oct 07, 2012 (4:54 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 07, 2012 4:01 pm)
The BMW has a turbo 4.
 
I figured BMW always used inline 6s so I didn't even ask about the engine. So what we need is a 335i to a 3.6 ATS comparison. Because that's what almost everyone's going to buy if they care about performance.

#15011 of 16087 Comments by sweendogy

Oct 07, 2012 (7:11 pm)

While I think the original poster of the ats vs BMW - selectively posted the article because he is a BMW lover - it was a good post to open up conversation. These cars are very close - like I said before maybe 2 close. Caddy must realize they should of undercut the mighty 3 in pricing, maybe gm is trying to subsidize the volt vs this. For guys to say the caddy would of win if it had the auto, or if they compared the bigger engine cars, or if both cars were the same color - look these comparisons will come down the rode so hold on to your hat.
 

#15012 of 16087 Re: Comments [sweendogy] by dino001

Oct 07, 2012 (7:27 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Oct 07, 2012 7:11 pm)
It's not domestic manufacturer's style. They always put out price unrealistic price and then cut it with rebates and dealer marketing support, so their customers feel like they're getting a great deal. The problem is with magazines taking that sticker at its face value.

#15013 of 16087 Re: Let me ask a question [habitat1] by robr2

Oct 07, 2012 (7:32 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 07, 2012 12:24 pm)
Yet last week I drove a 2001 BMW M5 with 120,000 miles on the odometer that a friend just bought from the original owner. This car drives better, with fewer rattles, than any 2 year old Caddy sitting on your local dealer lot. The paint looks better than a brand new Caddy.
 
That is true. But how will a 2013 BMW compare with a 2013 Cadillac in 10 years? Past performance is not always an indicator of future performance.

#15014 of 16087 Habitat by nyccarguy

Oct 07, 2012 (7:42 pm)

Just curious, did your friend tell you how much he paid for his well maintained example of an E39 M5?

#15015 of 16087 Re: Let me ask a question [robr2] by habitat1

Oct 07, 2012 (7:54 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Oct 07, 2012 7:32 pm)
Past performance is not always an indicator of future performance.
 
That's what keeps me showing up at the golf course trying to break par. But I'm not necessarily prepared to plop my money down on a GM product, hoping that they suddenly find the short grass when they have spent most of the last 40 years knee deep in the rough.

#15016 of 16087 Re: Habitat [nyccarguy] by habitat1

Oct 07, 2012 (7:58 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Oct 07, 2012 7:42 pm)
Something in the $20k range - higher than blue book, but it was in exceptional condition and owner just had full service and four new tires.

#15017 of 16087 Re: 3-series [fedlawman] by qbrozen

Oct 07, 2012 (8:11 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 07, 2012 4:19 pm)
I know BMW corrected this in later model years, but I've never seen it in real life before.
 
Oh, its pretty much a given on the N54 cars. But he didn't have to leave the track. Just back out of it for a half lap or so to let it cool off a bit. Still, it sucks. I have a larger oil cooler in the garage now that I have to get around to installing this winter. Being an '07, his might not have any factory oil cooler (depending on build date and sport or nonsport, I believe), which is even worse. The n54 cars without the oil cooler are just doomed at the track.

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