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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14953 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [habitat1]
Sep 22, 2012 (9:41 am)
If you want numbers read Road and Track, if you want subjective and numbers Car and Driver. Subjective means a lot.
The Japanese design their cars by numbers, start with a spec sheet and what comes out comes out and then looks great on paper.
Anyone who drives one as well as a German or American car can tell you, there's loads of difference in how they drive and feel - even when the numbers aren't that different.
#14954 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [wireless]
Sep 22, 2012 (10:05 am)
I agree. There are far more qualitative differences to performance and handling than raw numbers can represent.
Should have clarified that what I don't care for is the "price/value" element of the rankings. I'm OK with subjective rankings that would say steering feel is a 10 on a 911 and a 3 on a Buick. I just don't want to see the Buick ranked 1st after "price consideration".
Some of th magazines separate this adjustment out, so you can disregard it. Other's build it into their selection of a "winner" that I think is highly subjective and inaccurate at best, unethical at worst if they are vying for advertising dollars.
#14955 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [wireless]
Sep 24, 2012 (6:24 am)
wireless, habitat.....agree with you both. I think as buyers, we all put different weights on specific parameters, regardless of what kind of car we're looking at.
In any given price range, some put price above all other parameters. I'm not one of those. I want the best I can afford.
That said, I've discounted buying some cars which others consider to be "tops" in their class. Mercedes immediately to mind. They cost roughly the same amount as an Audi or a BMW. But, they fall way short on the things I value most (performance and driving dynamics).
I've tried hard to like Infinitis....over the course of many years. If, for no other reason, I could have saved myself a few bucks over what I end up buying. Even being less expensive than a 3 series or an Audi, they just don't appeal to me, for a variety of reasons.
Obviously, they appeal to plenty of people, just not to me.
Sep 24, 2012 (8:00 am)
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#14957 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [habitat1]
Sep 24, 2012 (3:44 pm)
It bugs me a bit when I see car magazines do a comparison of cars and mix subjective value factors into determining a "winner"
I agree, give me the facts about the car, price should not determine a winner. Let the buyer (me) determine if the added price should sway me to look at other cars.
#14958 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse]
Sep 24, 2012 (4:19 pm)
Sorry boys In a comparison test price must be included- as someone noted Have to compare Apples to apples - not 911s to buicks - Price is not subjective it's a matter of fact. Also important is where a car is classified by the manufacture- whos its target competition-
#14959 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [sweendogy]
Sep 24, 2012 (6:18 pm)
I haven't seen too many 911 vs. Regal comparisons. Price is an objective fact, so go ahead and publish it. Just don't try to then extrapolate it into a subjective value analysis that will vary greatly buyer to buyer. Nimble handling and precise engineering mean a lot to me, maybe not so much to the next guy. We can each figure out how much we are willing to pay for it without having the reviewer pick a winner based upon price.
#14960 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [habitat1]
Sep 24, 2012 (6:31 pm)
So if your Looking at a group of cars that are Ellps- an one costs 15k more then the next your telling me that should nt be part of the comparison?
There is a reason the Camry and accord battle every year forks sold- they are so close in everthing - but if the accord was 10k more I guarantee you try would be a huge separation in sales.
Not everyone has a tesla on order
#14961 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [sweendogy]
Sep 24, 2012 (7:17 pm)
I think we are going in circles. I didn't say that price shouldn't be listed/included in the review. I simply said I don't need a reviewer to pick a "winner" based upon his subjective assessment of value. I can determine what something is worth to me all by myself, thank you very much.
If car and driver picked the Honda Accord as a winner over the Genesis because they didn't think the extra features of the genesis were worth the added price, would flight's partner have changed his decision? It doesn't matter what they think those features are worth, it's what he thinks they are worth. Why insult somebody who has different value priorities by labeling their choice a "loser" based upon yours?
#14962 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [habitat1]
Sep 25, 2012 (4:08 am)
Ok so they should just compare 2 cars but have no conclusion.