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#14940 of 16087 Re: Second Place Misconception? [nyccarguy] by habitat1

Sep 21, 2012 (1:19 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 21, 2012 10:44 am)
I think you are right about the lease vs. buy tending to cloud or change the value analysis. I always buy and pay with cash. Keeps me from overspending and - especially when I had my 911 "fun" car - feeling guilty that I had payments due in January February and March with the car sitting in my garage.
 
Lease equations can lead to different results. When we just bought our X5d, I couldn't see paying $1,500 for the premium sound package given what I thought was nominal benefit. But if it had worked out to only $10 extra per month for 36 months due to the way BMW makes the numbers work, maybe I would figured what the hell and checked the box.

#14941 of 16087 Re: Second Place Misconception? [habitat1] by nyccarguy

Sep 21, 2012 (2:18 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 21, 2012 1:19 pm)
I think the majority of us here on the ELLPS board DO NOT represent the typical buyer. We're enthusiasts, many of us would take a stick even if it meant giving up a few 10ths to 60 & a few mpg on the hwy (if it weren't for our wives), & we shop for the car we like to drive rather than wear.
 
There are people out there who have the mindset that a car payment is like another monthly bill. They like the smell of a new car every 2-3 years. If they are going to pay $500 a month (on a 60 month loan) for a loaded CamCord, then they might as well pay $600 a month (I'm just throwing this number out there) for a $45 - $50K BMW on a lease.

#14942 of 16087 Re: It finally happened [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Sep 21, 2012 (9:33 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Sep 21, 2012 6:02 am)
BMW has three option to purchase a car, typical financing, leasing and what BMW calls BMW Select. The BMW Select is very much like a lease, except there are no mileage restriction... So BMW has multi ways of buying a BMW.
 
BTW, BMW does not have a special for 18 months like the Infiniti, and no one can not lease a $45K BMW for $280/m with only $2200 out of pocket.

#14943 of 16087 Re: It finally happened [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Sep 21, 2012 (9:40 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Sep 21, 2012 5:54 am)
Why would people buy a second place car, for one, they can not afford the #1 car and to these people they are OK with second place... Example, my Rick, he is very happy with his Genesis, people don't usually give it a second look, which is fine with him, however, it has more standard feature then a 5 series and a MB E Class or Audi A6 for the same price as a base 328i...

#14944 of 16087 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse] by habitat1

Sep 22, 2012 (2:25 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 21, 2012 9:40 pm)
So, for Rick, the Genesis came in first place when he overlayed his price vs attribute ( ie value) priorities.
 
It bugs me a bit when I see car magazines do a comparison of cars and mix subjective value factors into determining a "winner". Just give me the objective facts about the cars. I'll figure out whether performance vs. luxury options vs. warranty vs. aesthetics determines the winner for me. And respect the fact that that might be different for the next guy. That doesn't mean one of us bought a "loser" .

#14945 of 16087 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Sep 22, 2012 (5:07 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 21, 2012 9:33 pm)
Flight - I know about BMW select its a creative way for someone to drive a BMW - net net they don't own it- 60% are leased.
 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-23/cadillac-driving-to-disrupt-bmw-merc- - edes-u-dot-s-dot-luxury-grip
 
The Infiniti deal you are quoting is a little misleading , the 36k msrp g25- not 37 and the payment on the 25 is 289 with 2500 down-For 24mths not 18 that's the Infiniti offer.

#14946 of 16087 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Sep 22, 2012 (5:15 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 21, 2012 9:40 pm)
Flight you answered your own question- good stuff now you know why people would look at the g- it's performance and cheaper price and say- close enuf and the 15k I saved l

#14947 of 16087 Infiniti Leases by nyccarguy

Sep 22, 2012 (5:29 am)

Those 18 month leases were quite attractive. Infiniti put those out there because they had a lot of inventory & a lot of people with leases set to expire in the next 12 months or so. They know the new G isn't ready & the current G is toward the end of its model run. People lease because they like change & variety. Instead of losing a pool of potential customers to BMW, MB, Audi, Volvo, Acura... They get them into THEIR new car for another 18 months. They probably waived a few months of payments & reduced their customer's current payment on the same car. Hopefully in 12 - 18 months their customers will lease a new, more powerful, more efficient, G.

#14948 of 16087 BMW's customers by nyccarguy

Sep 22, 2012 (6:22 am)

I always try to say "nice car" if I see a cool car filling up next to me at a gas station. Last week I pull in & right behind me is an '09 328xi. We got out of the car at the same time & he was looking at my car. I smiled & said "nice car." He said, "yeah, you too. I really like the Silver."
 
I notice EVERYTHING about cars & saw as I was pumping 93 into my tank that he had selected 89 (mid grade). His car had the base (horrible looking IMO) 16" wheels that were on the '09s, he was fumbling with the windshield mounted GPS & it looked as if it hadn't been cleaned in 6 months.

#14949 of 16087 Re: BMW's customers [nyccarguy] by m6user

Sep 22, 2012 (8:09 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 22, 2012 6:22 am)
I notice EVERYTHING about cars & saw as I was pumping 93 into my tank that he had selected 89 (mid grade). His car had the base (horrible looking IMO) 16" wheels that were on the '09s, he was fumbling with the windshield mounted GPS & it looked as if it hadn't been cleaned in 6 months.
 
And your point is???

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