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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14888 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse]
Sep 16, 2012 (4:57 am)
If I'm not mistaken, even the original Legend was built upon an Accord platform - or some variation of it. The Integra was definitely based upon the Civic.
Part of the problem/dilemma with Acura over the years is that they have not put enough distance between themselves and Honda in the engineering and product positioning of their vehicles. Both Lexus and Infiniti put a much bigger gap between themselves and their respective roots. Acura stuck with Honda based FWD and V6's, even in their top of the line cars; and as a result has had to fight the perception that the Integra, Legend, TL and even RL were simply gussied up Honda's. It wasn't until the 2007 MDX that it wasn't simply a well equipped, face-lifted Pilot. Lexus had that problem with the ES - a gussied up Camry - but the GS and LS had no Toyota counterpart and were made in Japan. The early G20 was a Sentra based car, but at least eventually evolved into its own identity with RWD. The M and Q were non-Nissans.
The good news for Acura is that Honda is a better starting point than Nissan and Toyota, in my opinion. But they seemed to have bi-polar disorder in trying to establish a true luxury division and then chickening out when it came to competing with BMW and Mercedes. They could have, IMO.
Off subject, the best engineered car, dollar for dollar, I have ever owned was my 2002 Honda S2000. RWD, 120hp/liter without turbos, as tight of a suspension as a Porsche. I just wish they had more balls to put some of their engineering prowess into something that competed with a 550i 6-speed manual. Or, just introduce a Honda S3000 so I have something to consider before I buy another Porsche. The upcoming NSX is over the top in stylistic craziness and will, I predict, be a non-event. The S2000 was revolutionary and forced Porsche to improve their Boxster. But I digress...
#14889 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [habitat1]
Sep 16, 2012 (7:58 am)
The Legend was a result of a joint venture with Britain's Austin Rover Group called Project XX that started in November 1981 with the Austin Rover-Honda XX letter of intent signed by the two companies to replace the Rover SD1 and to provide a luxury vehicle for Honda. ("Acura Legend", 15 August 2012 at 23:46.). So according to this, the legend was not an accord in any way which is what I thought.
Yes, the Integra was based on the Civic.
Acura Legend. (15 August 2012 at 23:46.). Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_Legend
#14890 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [billyperksii]
Sep 16, 2012 (8:34 am)
Once again the Vigor was an Accord...
The Honda Vigor is a compact sedan sold in Japan from 1981 to 1995. It was sold in North America from 1992 to 1994 as the Acura Vigor, a mid-size luxury car. The Vigor started out in Japan only in the early 1980s as a luxury level Accord, and as such was Honda's flagship sedan until the arrival of the Honda Legend. Acura Vigor. ( 23 August 2012 at 18:43.)
Acura Vigor. ( 23 August 2012 at 18:43.). Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_Vigor
#14891 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Sep 16, 2012 (8:41 am)
That's true.. the Vigor was a Japanese market Accord.
But, all Acuras are Hondas.. The Acura nameplate is purely a marketing exercise for North America... They don't exist in the home market (but, the vehicles do..)
#14892 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [kyfdx]
Sep 16, 2012 (10:14 am)
Very true...which is why in Europe they sold the Honda NSX
#14893 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse]
Sep 16, 2012 (8:45 pm)
Ooh, did you say "Sterling?"
#14894 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [fedlawman]
Sep 17, 2012 (6:26 am)
Yup, I remember the Sterlings 825 better styling then the Legend, but for some reason wasn't as reliable as the Acura. I really like the 5 Door that was produced. My room mate who had the Vigor, his brother in law bought a 5 door Sterling, then later on bought a Legend.
#14895 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [kyfdx]
Sep 17, 2012 (6:29 am)
This is true, but the dealer experience is what set them apart from the Honda dealers too. Even today there is a big difference between the Acura Dealer and the Honda Dealer, in regards to attitude..
#14896 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse]
Sep 17, 2012 (6:49 am)
The Rover 820 and 825 were very popular over here in UK but the 820 was considered the better, (2.0ltr i4), as the 825 engine only came into it's own at higher revs, which most owners didn't use. The later 827 improved the situation but not enough.
We still get Honda Legend over here too. Last one I saw was last year, (maybe longer), on a dealer's forecourt. 10 miles on the clock and a price reduced by just 50%, yes 50% ! Salesman said he was prepared to haggle and would let it go if he could show a £100 profit. Not terribly popular, (3,5 ltr V6), but a wonderful piece of engineering. Last one I saw on the road was a friend's in Austria, three years ago. Superb ride but thirsty.
#14897 of 16984 Re: It finally happened [alltorque]
Sep 17, 2012 (8:36 am)
Here in the states we got the 825 and 827SL.