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#14871 of 16252 Re: Saw the newest ELLPS... [robr2] by habitat1

Sep 13, 2012 (2:43 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Sep 13, 2012 8:41 am)
I too look forward to some competition for the 3 series. It's a great car but IMHO getting a little soft.
 
Or....is it just that the 3 series has gotten too big? The current 3 series nearly as big (and heavy) as the 5 series from a few generations ago. And the current 5 is nearly as big as the 7 series was a few generations ago. Want small and nimble, a little one series, that seems tiny by today's standards, is not much smaller than a 1990 vintage 3 series.
 
The 3 series can still be made to be tight, as was proven to me as I rode in the backseat of a 4-door M3 being driven by a BMW instructor at their track last week. But look at the relatively low percentage of 335i's that are equipped with manual transmissions today, let alone sport packages and suspensions. I don't think BMW has gotten soft by their own preference - rather it's more the result of their objective to increase sales and, as such, having to cater to a lower common denominator when it comes to American buyers. Frankly, I wish they'd just tell the softee buyers to pound salt and buy a Lexus. But then again, I'm not a BMW shareholder.

#14872 of 16252 Re: Saw the newest ELLPS... [robr2] by flightnurse

Sep 13, 2012 (9:46 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Sep 13, 2012 8:41 am)
I do hope the ATS is as good as what Cadillac has been saying in their commercials, however, history has proven that they have been short every time... I'm looking forward in driving a ATS and XTS, once national rental car gets them in, next week I'm back in Detroit so I'm hoping they have gotten the XTS.

#14873 of 16252 Re: Saw the newest ELLPS... [flightnurse] by robr2

Sep 14, 2012 (4:24 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 13, 2012 9:46 pm)
I do hope the ATS is as good as what Cadillac has been saying in their commercials, however, history has proven that they have been short every time...
 
I'm more interested in what the reviewers say as they get the most seat time in every car.
 
As for what Cadillac says in the ads....I've never seen any advertiser say "Hey our product is mediocre."

#14874 of 16252 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse] by billyperksii

Sep 14, 2012 (6:24 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 12, 2012 9:45 pm)
yeah right

#14875 of 16252 Re: It finally happened [billyperksii] by ivan_99

Sep 14, 2012 (7:44 am)

Replying to: billyperksii (Sep 14, 2012 6:24 am)
Unless you're the Mitsubishi Australian CEO
 
I don't know why people buy a Mitsubishi...What is the benefit?

#14876 of 16252 Re: It finally happened [billyperksii] by flightnurse

Sep 14, 2012 (8:27 am)

Replying to: billyperksii (Sep 14, 2012 6:24 am)
Bill did u own a Vigor when it was new?

#14877 of 16252 Re: Saw the newest ELLPS... [robr2] by flightnurse

Sep 14, 2012 (8:30 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Sep 14, 2012 4:24 am)
Rob, I'm talking about history, and even on Cadillac web page they say it is better then a 3 series... I just hope that history doesn't repeat itself.

#14878 of 16252 Re: It finally happened [ivan_99] by billyperksii

Sep 14, 2012 (8:40 am)

Replying to: ivan_99 (Sep 14, 2012 7:44 am)
Why is this directed at me IVAN?
FWIW, I agree with the Australian CEO.

#14879 of 16252 Re: It finally happened [flightnurse] by billyperksii

Sep 14, 2012 (8:45 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 14, 2012 8:27 am)
I think I was still in high school but my older brother best friend had one and it was one sweet ride back then. Additionally, those name (VIGOR AND LEDGEND) catapulted the Acura brand. My sister's husband bought the Ledgend and that car was the talk of the town, I was aspiring to buy one.

#14880 of 16252 Re: It finally happened [billyperksii] by ivan_99

Sep 14, 2012 (2:14 pm)

Replying to: billyperksii (Sep 14, 2012 8:40 am)
Just because you agreed to the statement
 
"As for what Cadillac says in the ads....I've never seen any advertiser say "Hey our product is mediocre."
 
So I thought I'd point out where an employee (the top) made a public statement (which is sort of like an advertisement) saying their product was mediocre.
 
btw...me too (agreeing with the CEO)

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