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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14781 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [billyperksii]
Aug 21, 2012 (10:46 am)
If you prefer the looks of the 4G TL than good for you - because you are getting a heck of a good car beneath the skin.
My "snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory" comment was really aimed at Acura shareholders, since sales of the 2009 TL, upon the redesign, dropped by well over 50% from what the 2004 model sold. And that was in a large part to the controversial looks. Here's the chart: TL Sales by year
BMW had Bangle to contend with, not sure who at Acura decided all of a sudden that lots of chrome was in fashion, but it cost the company dearly in terms of sales. But, like I said, for those that can get past - or even prefer - the looks of the new TL, a 2012 TL SH-AWD 6-speed manual for $36,000 +/- is one hell of a good deal. Maybe not quite the enthusiast car as a 335Xi, but about $15k cheaper comparably equipped.
#14782 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [habitat1]
Aug 21, 2012 (11:39 am)
Can you pull the same data for Infiniti and Lexus?- Same time period.
#14783 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [billyperksii]
Aug 21, 2012 (2:54 pm)
That particular chart source only showed historical TL sales. I'm sure if you Google searched around, you could find something similar for Infiniti and Lexus, as well as BMW and Audi.
If it's any consolation, my old Maxima SE, which was a top seller in the 1990's and won COTY honors in 1995, has pretty much fallen off the ELLPS radar screen for most car shoppers today. I don't have the exact figures handy, but I think the current Maxima is selling at about 15% of the sales volume of my old 1995. Nissan really snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory on that one!
#14784 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [habitat1]
Aug 21, 2012 (3:43 pm)
It got fat and got a CVT. Pretty much explains it IMO.
#14785 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [m6user]
Aug 21, 2012 (4:15 pm)
Agreed. And until the most recent design, went fugly as well. The current Maxima doesn't look half bad to me on the outside, but Nissan completely sold it's soul as a "four door sports car" at least a decade ago.
Aug 21, 2012 (4:41 pm)
Is an ELLPS shopper right now. His 2008 A4 3.2 FWD S Line threw a rod at 39,000 miles. Luckily the dealer he had it towed to diagnosed the problem as hydrolock. His insurance company didn't think it was worth footing the $21,000 bill for a new engine, so they are going to total the car.
His top choice is a G37S ('09 or '10 CPO). He's also going to look at some CPO 3ers w/ Sport Pkg. I'll keep you guys updated.
#14788 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [billyperksii]
Aug 21, 2012 (5:11 pm)
I have gotten INFINITE compliments on my TL, as a matter of fact it turned 3 years old last Friday and I took it to a local garage for a rotation and balance, the service guy asked if it was a new car- he said its really nice.
Speaking as an '05 TL owner, these generations of TLs are like girlfriends. The 04-08 (call her "Julie") is a couple of years older with an absolutely gorgeous face and a decent body. The 4G TL (call her "Flo") is the girl with the killer body but the somewhat doggy face!
I'll keep Julie and you enjoy Flo!
#14789 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [habitat1]
Aug 21, 2012 (5:14 pm)
If it's any consolation, my old Maxima SE, which was a top seller in the 1990's and won COTY honors in 1995, has pretty much fallen off the ELLPS radar screen for most car shoppers today.
Around 2000 I was driving my A4 2.8 quattro and when I was in for a service call I ended up with a rental Maxima. I thought that it had a great stereo and great power but that the handling and suspension were extremely underwhelming. The back end in particular felt bouncy. But of course I was coming from the A4 with a stick and sport package.
#14790 of 16982 Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [flightnurse]
Aug 21, 2012 (6:51 pm)
FN......first and foremost, I consider the TL SH AWD to be in somewhat the same general vicinity as the 335i X. However, 335 is faster, handles better, and of course is less expemsive. TL still tugs on the steering wheel a little bit....even in AWD form. Still, for the money, you'd be hard pressed to find a car that mixes all of the attributes of torque vectoring, strong and smooth motor, top notch feature set of the TL SH AWD.
It's cheap to keep, too.