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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14774 of 16982 I don't know....
Aug 20, 2012 (3:06 pm)
but it sounds to me like a TL SH-AWD 6 speed manual discounted to $36,000 would be the best of all worlds, compared to the forced compromises of the G37 AWD vs. manual. That's assuming you could get past the need for a nose and butt job.
Too bad Acura snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory when they redesigned the TL from the generation I have (2004). I'm sure those unemployed Pontiac designers that they hired could have found work eventually.
#14775 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [habitat1]
Aug 20, 2012 (3:51 pm)
Loved the Acura shifter, power good, service, Awd, but felt a little big- hated the look- and very busy dash- Loved my past Acura- not this one. - I'm not the only one, as sales numbers indicate.
#14776 of 16982 Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [flightnurse]
Aug 20, 2012 (6:05 pm)
FN...I think you're right. I need to get the A/C checked.
TL SH AWD handled better than a G AWD.
#14777 of 16982 Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [graphicguy]
Aug 20, 2012 (7:10 pm)
"TL handled better...." I haven't seen any direct comparison tests done on the 2.. Would love to see the article- I've always wondered because the tL does have the SH-Awd vs infinitis setup of RWD bias. Please expand on this statement.
#14778 of 16982 Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [flightnurse]
Aug 21, 2012 (2:21 am)
FN....S4 is really a great car. Very fast, handles really well, ride is firm but comfortable...seems like the faster you drive it, the better it handles road imperfections. GF and I both are thrilled with it.
That said, I like my 3, just for different reasons.
#14779 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [habitat1]
Aug 21, 2012 (5:49 am)
"Too bad Acura snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory when they redesigned the TL from the generation I have (2004). I'm sure those unemployed Pontiac designers that they hired could have found work eventually."
I said the same when I had my 2003 (so big deal), I went to the Auto show and saw the 2004- my first response was BLAH- too Accord and Camrish, just did not stand out as an entry level luxury.
All the talk about beak this and beak that, if you put a G37, 2004-2008 TL and the 4G TL side by side, the 4G TL stands out as closest to entry level luxury. Trust me, I have seen the 3G and 4G TL side by side at the dealer and the 3G looks so y
I have gotten INFINITE compliments on my TL, as a matter of fact it turned 3 years old last Friday and I took it to a local garage for a rotation and balance, the service guy asked if it was a new car- he said its really nice.
This is just my HO.
#14780 of 16982 Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [graphicguy]
Aug 21, 2012 (10:02 am)
Graphic but does the TL SH AWD drive better then a 335iX ? That is really the biggest question!
#14781 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [billyperksii]
Aug 21, 2012 (10:46 am)
If you prefer the looks of the 4G TL than good for you - because you are getting a heck of a good car beneath the skin.
My "snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory" comment was really aimed at Acura shareholders, since sales of the 2009 TL, upon the redesign, dropped by well over 50% from what the 2004 model sold. And that was in a large part to the controversial looks. Here's the chart: TL Sales by year
BMW had Bangle to contend with, not sure who at Acura decided all of a sudden that lots of chrome was in fashion, but it cost the company dearly in terms of sales. But, like I said, for those that can get past - or even prefer - the looks of the new TL, a 2012 TL SH-AWD 6-speed manual for $36,000 +/- is one hell of a good deal. Maybe not quite the enthusiast car as a 335Xi, but about $15k cheaper comparably equipped.
#14782 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [habitat1]
Aug 21, 2012 (11:39 am)
Can you pull the same data for Infiniti and Lexus?- Same time period.
#14783 of 16982 Re: I don't know.... [billyperksii]
Aug 21, 2012 (2:54 pm)
That particular chart source only showed historical TL sales. I'm sure if you Google searched around, you could find something similar for Infiniti and Lexus, as well as BMW and Audi.
If it's any consolation, my old Maxima SE, which was a top seller in the 1990's and won COTY honors in 1995, has pretty much fallen off the ELLPS radar screen for most car shoppers today. I don't have the exact figures handy, but I think the current Maxima is selling at about 15% of the sales volume of my old 1995. Nissan really snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory on that one!