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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Aug 01, 2012 (6:25 am)
An Audi A4 2.0T Prestige can be cranked up MSRP-wise to more than $50K.
An Acura TL SH-AWD Advance (not Tech) plus a la carte options like splash guards and back-up sensors is north of $47K MSRP.
The Prestige vs the Advance offers similar content if not similar engine transmission set ups.
The way the '12 Acura TL is configured however -- it feels more like the Audi A6 version C6 (the last model before the current body style of the A6.)
The BMW 328/AWD ('13) is easy to zoom past $50K, too.
The SH-AWD (aka torque vectoring) masks the porkiness of the TL, and the 19" wheels and "sport tuned" suspension yield a TL that is more like an A4-SLine or S4 "lite" -- the A4 currently only offers the "sport differential" on the highest buck flavors which makes the TL the bargain of the bunch (and still an ugly duckling.)
I priced out a new X1 and even got that to go north of $50K (and that was with the 4cyclinder).
There's a phrase I have grown up with: "you can pay too little, but you really won't pay too much -- if you get what you want, rather than settling."
Oddly, with the TL at $547 per month, I feel a bit like Goldilocks, "It's just right." I can say this with a straight face since the '09 A4 2.0T Prestige w/sport and ADS was about $120 more per month than the TL.
Don't confuse my rationalization as anything but "driving it the way I lived -- at the time I entered into the transaction." I was looking for something that I could live with, feel safe and comfortable with and that had decent performance -- AND was a prudent choice during a crappy economy.
Still, however, I think 2014 can't come soon enough (for Acrua at least.) The company seems adrift -- even after the Avenger's movie was supposed to show us that Tony Stark used to drive Audis and now he drives Acura's.
Pull the other one.
#14551 of 16982 Re: Prices [markcincinnati]
Aug 01, 2012 (6:42 am)
Mark-What are the signs of a warped rotor?
Is it the vibration on hard stops?
I think mines are warped but I just wanted to make sure.
The dealer wants $220 (this is an online discount), the normal is $320.
Does that sound correct?
#14552 of 16982 Re: Acura TL vs Acura TL [sweendogy]
Aug 01, 2012 (6:43 am)
Rob2, just because Acura dropped a v6 into the tsx doesn't make it Ellps- first of all they sell less then 10% of all v6 tsxs. Second doesn't the accord offer a v6?
My point is that the consumers in this market slice have typically sneered at anything that didn't offer a 6.
Now that the great propellered one has deemed 4's worthy in the American market, perhaps that requirement will disappear.
#14553 of 16982 Re: Prices [billyperksii]
Aug 01, 2012 (9:05 am)
billy...not Mark. But, what you describe sounds like warped rotors to me. They can usually turn the rotors once. So, ask them to do that, first.
#14554 of 16982 Re: Prices [markcincinnati]
Aug 01, 2012 (9:12 am)
Mark....I'm not a lessee/payment buyer. So, the monthly payments have no relevance on my end. But, from what I understand, BMW subsidizes their leases pretty heavily. So, that's one way of allaying their cost.
I also didn't know you could get an A4 into the $50K range. New lesson learned. Personally, if I were going to option out an A4 into that price range, I'd go ahead and move right on into an S4.
Speaking of 4 cyl lux/performance cars, I just read a C&D article stating that Audi is upgrading their current 2.0 engine. Expect it to come in at around that 240 HP mark (not sure about ft/lb ratings) in the A4.
#14555 of 16982 Re: Acura TL vs Acura TL [robr2]
Aug 01, 2012 (2:24 pm)
But even thou the tsx offers a 4 and a 6 does that make it Ellps? Fwd, slow, no awd option
#14556 of 16982 Re: Prices [graphicguy]
Aug 01, 2012 (2:32 pm)
Graphic VW/Audi has had a few cars with a higher HP 2 L turbo (VW GTI-R) 256HP, Audi's TTS 265HP. Aftermarket companies have had a "chip" for the ECU for a while, 250hp from either the 200 or 211hp 2l turbo. Audi/VW really needs to up their HP and torque if they want to stay competitive, like you, I like the A5, but a 2L turbo making 211hp in a 50K car how can Audi justify that.
#14557 of 16982 Re: Acura TL vs Acura TL [robr2]
Aug 01, 2012 (2:49 pm)
My point is that the consumers in this market slice have typically sneered at anything that didn't offer a 6
Could this just be the big marketing machine making people think that if it doesn't offer a bigger engine then it not a luxury car? It appears that both BMW and MB are slowly ditching their V12 engine in favor of a twin turbo V8.
Ford took a big risk in their F150 by offering their EcoBoost 3.5L twin turbo engine, however, it has been a sales success for them. With CAFE # climbing quickly manufactures are being forced to offer engines they wouldn't have 5 yrs ago. MB offers more cars with Diesels then VW and they sell every one of them. BMW will be bring over a new 3 series oil burner for 2013 and I believe Audi will be doing the same.
The Germans imported the higher end cars because they knew they could sell the and make higher profits. I wish I could buy a 328i with cloth seats, 6 spd manual like the Germans can, I have friends who don't want power windows, and sunroof (this is not an option on the 328i.) but BMW doesn't offer that here...
#14558 of 16982 Re: Prices [flightnurse]
Aug 01, 2012 (3:20 pm)
FN...didn't know that about the higher HP/torque of the Audi 2.0. Sounds like they're getting ready to drop one of those in the A4 from what I'm reading.
#14559 of 16982 Re: Prices [graphicguy]
Aug 01, 2012 (4:42 pm)
I hope so, like you I like the A5, now with 265hp, and about 280lbs of torque that could be a fun car.