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#14419 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [kirstie_h] by m6user

Jul 11, 2012 (10:06 am)

Replying to: Kirstie@Edmunds (Jul 11, 2012 9:53 am)
I thought I read somewhere where (in some cars with start-stop, don't know if BMWs or not) if the temp rises inside the car by X degrees the motor will start or the A/C will run off the battery for a short period to maintain comfort.

#14420 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [nyccarguy] by graphicguy

Jul 11, 2012 (2:34 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Jul 11, 2012 9:06 am)
What's your take on the electric power steering?
 
NYC...the steering was.....hmmmm....best I can say is "different". I really only spent maybe 45 minutes in the car (drove from the dealer to office, office to home, home to dealer). Did I like it as well as the steering in my 335i? Nope!
 
But, the '12 328i is weighted differently, too. It doesn't feel linear in response, like the E90 or the S4 does. Those are more predictable where the E90 feels...not quite sure....."artificial" I guess would be the best way I could describe it.
 
If the new 3's A/C runs off the battery if it gets too hot when stopped, I could see a problem where you're stuck by a long train, or in a big traffic jam where that would deplete your battery. So, now your steaming hot, and the car won't restart because the battery was depleted by the A/C.
 
Usually, car companies think things through more thoroughly than BMW has thought this "start-stop" feature through. I still believe they are going to have to do some sort of update that allows you to turn the feature off permanently. Otherwise, their service depts are going to be flooded with complaints.

#14421 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [graphicguy] by m6user

Jul 11, 2012 (5:53 pm)

Replying to: graphicguy (Jul 11, 2012 2:34 pm)
I could see a problem where you're stuck by a long train, or in a big traffic jam where that would deplete your battery. So, now your steaming hot, and the car won't restart because the battery was depleted by the A/C.
 
Umm, I think the programming would be smarter than that. It would start your engine before any real depletion of the battery.

#14422 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [m6user] by dino001

Jul 11, 2012 (6:27 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Jul 11, 2012 5:53 pm)
That's right. I think Graphic is simply projecting what his fears of what if it programmed incorrectly, rather than actual performance. I'm sure it is programmed to use stop/start only if rest of the systems is sound, not unconditionally at every stop. All it needs is a battery charge sensor programmed to into the feature.

#14423 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [dino001] by graphicguy

Jul 12, 2012 (5:39 am)

Replying to: dino001 (Jul 11, 2012 6:27 pm)
dino....m6...I would hope that BMW has some sort of programming done on the new 3 that allows the car to start if the battery gets below a certain depletion level.
 
However, given the harshness of the start/stop feature, it feels like it's half baked to begin with. So, I'm not really sure.
 
In either case, now you're stuck with a car that's stuck in traffic or at a railroad crossing that shudders throughout the car every few minutes when it re-starts. Not very luxurious or sporty, let alone a behavior I'd want in a $45K-$50K car.

#14424 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [graphicguy] by sweendogy

Jul 12, 2012 (6:18 pm)

Replying to: graphicguy (Jul 12, 2012 5:39 am)
I love how guys who are lux guys - but also want sport - opt for autos trans and are actually complaining about BMW Trying to save you an mpg or 2 with the auto start- if you don't like it press the button - hello- just like you would put on a seatbelt or Change the radio station. It's that easy- or you can complain that it's a " deal breaker" even thou it's just a button - act as If. I dont care if it's 15k or 50k it's not a big deal, and for a guy who spent 26 mins in the new BMW I would think you would look for such button before complaining about it, prob next to thr cruise control or maybe the trunk release.
 
That being said - good comparison in consumer digest BMW 3 vs MB c, BMW wins by a point in new form but both are still behind the g, value being the biggest difference ( we already know this).

#14425 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [sweendogy] by tlong

Jul 12, 2012 (11:37 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Jul 12, 2012 6:18 pm)
That being said - good comparison in consumer digest BMW 3 vs MB c, BMW wins by a point in new form but both are still behind the g, value being the biggest difference ( we already know this).
 
Of course the Subaru WRX is value, the Camaro is value, if all you want is to mash a pedal down and have it go fast...

#14426 of 16251 Graphicguy by nyccarguy

Jul 13, 2012 (4:49 am)

Somebody hacked your email again!

#14427 of 16251 Re: Graphicguy [nyccarguy] by graphicguy

Jul 13, 2012 (5:51 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Jul 13, 2012 4:49 am)
Man, I'm really sorry about that. I did a little investigation. It was hacked somewhere in Austria, of all places. I think when I posted it here, in a public venue, that's when it was hacked. You'd think I'd learn my lesson.
 
Anyway, send me one more email requesting a new email address if you're interested in having it. Again, apologies!

#14428 of 16251 Re: More BMW Impressions [tlong] by graphicguy

Jul 13, 2012 (6:06 am)

Replying to: tlong (Jul 12, 2012 11:37 pm)
tlong...save your breath. It's a hopeless cause. You and I agree, though.
 
BTW....just saw an article stating that the new Nissan Z (which part of the Infiniti G is derived from) is going to shrink, move away from the Altima DNA, and sport a 4 cyl next iteration. Apparently, Nissan has seen the success of the BRZ and decided that's the direction they were going.
 
The problem, where does that leave the G? They already tried to move it down in the food chain with a smaller motor, and failed at it. They can't move it up, as the M resides there (which has also been pretty dismal). Maybe Infiniti becomes strictly an SUV marketer? They've had success there.

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