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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14291 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [graphicguy]
Jun 18, 2012 (5:25 am)
VW product, and he'd get my a supplier number for the discount they offer (6% off MSRP). I had that in my pocket.
To be continued.....
Great story GG. I can't wait to hear the rest. By the way, that is a beautiful car. I hope you print your story on sales frontlines too.
Briefly, we were going to trade in my wife's 2008 335Xi BMW for a 2013 328 or 335ix. We went on Saturday to test them. I checked the value of our trade in before I left and I got a range of $20,100 for dented one, and $24800 for top condition. Appraiser gave a value of $20000, said that is what they pay for them at the "BMW auctions".
btw, the car is in mint condition, new tires, alignment, and 38k miles!
We left, I told the salesman his price was good, he would take 5.5% off the new one. The difference was $42k for the 335 and $36k for a 328.
My wife really wants a garage door opener on the mirror, and to get that on a 335 you need to take the navi-camera option which costs $4500. On a 328 you need 2 options, $1500+$4500. She doesn't need those.
Before we left I said I would pay $40k difference, for the 335. He said it won't work.
We left, I told the salesman, who is excellent, his price on the new one is good, but I am not too pleased with the allowance on the trade in, and I hinted the BMW auction sounds like an excuse to give you a low price.
We checked out an Audi dealer on the way home, mainly because I was curious to see how much they would give me for our trade in. The salesman had a standard 2011 A4 coupe to try (or was it an A5?), and we loved it. Then we tried a 4 door 2013 Premium Plus automatic sedan, just to make sure the car felt right.
Too be continued.............
Jun 18, 2012 (5:40 am)
There were lots of things we liked about the A4, more than the 335. For one, the clutch in the BMW doesn't engage until it is at the top 25% of the way. The Audi was smooth anywhere. Both front seats go amazingly high, for good vision. On top of that the dash and the hood are very low, giving excellent vision. The navi/radio/camera screen in the bmw just stands up on the dash, but the Audis is built in. We felt the Audi was basically more comfortable, not as jazzy, more European in it's style.
So, we asked the salesman about pricing. Without wincing he said he would give us $24000 for the 335 trade in. He said, it is in mint condition, he will have no trouble selling it, he will get a minimum of $25000 for it, make a quick profit, and he will get us into Audis. The price difference was $27000 at that point This was sounding too good to be true because the BMWs were $36k and $42k. We asked if he discounted and he said he would take 3% off. I said take 4% off and it's a done deal. He agreed and we got the car for $25k difference! Truthfully, we both would have taken the Audi if the 328 and the Audi were on a lot and we wanted to choose one. I feel like I saved $11000 and actually came out with a car we both like more.
It's also nice because the navi/camera/radio are all included, and THE CAR COMES WITH A GARAGE DOOR OPENER ON THE MIRROR as standard equipment.
My wife says she is more excited with the Audi because the salesman said, Audi's main customer base is Europe and China. BMW is concentrating on North America so their cars are becoming more American. I think there is some truth in that, BMW is getting jazzier. You have to pay $1500 to get a Sportline and that is what every one wants. The Audi is all equipped ready to go.
When we got home there was a message on the answering machine. The BMW salesman called to say he worked out a better price on the trade with the appraiser. I said, sorry, it's too late. I feel bad, he worked with us for a few months, and it was just a fluke that we decided to drop into the Audi dealer.
#14293 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [driver100]
Jun 18, 2012 (7:06 am)
driver.....We're fortunate to be able to get cars that are so capable as either the BMW or the Audi. These are cars that are really at the very pinnacle of the lux/sports car round up. From this point, cars get bigger, heavier, thirstier, etc.
Driving a 5 series, or even an E350, you can feel the performance penalties from their smaller siblings. Now, if that's what you like and want, perfect. I think most on this board would rather have a faster, more nimble car than what those represent, however.
Saw an A7 on the showroom. Slick looking car. Even the A6 is a pretty car...inside and out. Maybe an S6 is something I'd be interested in at some point. Not right now though.
OK.....where were we.
Before the GF, my son and I headed out to Chicago, my son and I shopped his (my) Accord at a couple of dealers, including one of the local Audi dealers. We've all heard the dealers, and their rationale for low balling a trade (wrong color, wrong equipment, soft market for the car, need to wholesale it, etc). Bottom line, the Accord couldn't be more smack dab in the heart of the plate when it comes to used car desirability. They're reliable, good on gas (4 cyl, like mine), handle well, built well, will last 200K+ miles if reasonable care is taken. So, none of those "reasons" for low-balling really resonated with me. And, this particular one had never seen a paint booth or a body shop. Yes, there are some chips and a couple of dings here and there, but you would have to look hard to find them. It had good rubber, clean interior, everything worked the way it should, documented oil changes every 5K miles. All routine maintenance up to date.
Locally, I was offered $7.5-$8K....or, about $2,000-$2,500 from what I had researched as the car's trade value was. My opinion, this would retail for $13K-$15K all day long. Let's say some lot was in a hurry to sell it....$12K would get it gone in a few days, not weeks. $9,500 was the right number on a trade.
GF and I spent a good amount of time talking about the Audi. S4s aren't cheap. She thought about leasing. But, anyone who knows me on these boards, knows I don't like leasing. So, I talked her out of it.
Without some hefty money up front, it wasn't going to be doable for her. We figured the payment she would be comfortable with. We figured what it would take. That's how we launched the plan we made.
It took some car finagling on my part. And, my name is on the note, since I'm the one who put the downpayment up. She still has to sell an 8 year old Subaru and give me the proceeds. And, if anything were to happen between she and I (we've been together for many years, so no need to go there....just covering all bases), the car reverts to me since I put most of the upfront money on it. But, she's making payments.
As mentioned, the closest Audi dealer wanted MSRP on the only S4 they had in stock. They would not honor the Supplier Discount certificate. That dealer also offered the lowest trade value. Not doing business there (KYFDX....this is the dealership in Montgomery). The other dealership, further away, honored the supplier discount, but still came in $2,000 shy of my number on the trade.
GF contacted my son, knowing I love Chicago in the Summer, and planned to take me there for my birthday (which was last week). That's how the plan sprang to life to research Chicago dealers for the S4.
She found a dealer who had the most stock and told them what we were looking to do....with the trade and the supplier certificate. As a back-up, there were two other dealers who had at least 1 S4 in stock. In short, she contacted all of them. Told them what we were trying to do, with the qualifier that we were driving 5 hours, were going to have to spend the night, and had to pay for gas/meals and lodging. If we couldn't make a deal, they would have to pay $250 for our gas and lodging. Smart girl....that's one of the (many) reasons I love her.
Only one dealership agreed to the terms in writing (which she insisted on) via an email....the one with 4 S4s in stock. They wanted the VIN for the Accord, and an agreement from us that if the Honda were substantially different than what we described, the deal was off.
She told me of her agreement. We decided that if anything about the deal changed, we'd be prepared to walk away, and drive home in the Accord. My son didn't have much choice. He had to agree to whatever we agreed to if things didn't work out.
You already know how this turned out since I've posted pics of the car. But, there's a little more to the story.
To be continued......
#14294 of 16989 Re: Graphicguy [dino001]
Jun 18, 2012 (7:15 am)
Down Dino, it was a 2008 RS4 with a 6 spd Manuel, the owner has a R8 GT, this is reason why he is selling the RS4. I'm seriously thinking of selling both of my BMW's, if I had the RS I wont need neither BMW's...
#14295 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [graphicguy]
Jun 18, 2012 (7:44 am)
Graphic congrats !!! Great car The S-Tronic is a great tranny have fun !
#14296 of 16989 Re: Graphicguy [flightnurse]
Jun 18, 2012 (8:42 am)
flight....thanks. I'd be on that RS4 like sugar on cane.
The S-tronic, in manual mode, snaps off shifts quicker than any other transmission, manual or automatic, I've ever experienced. It's a jewel.
BTW....the S4 is a rolling "hot spot". You can use your Kindle Fire, iPad, iPhone via wifi. It's free for 6 months. Then, they charge $30/mo for the right to do so.
#14297 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [graphicguy]
Jun 18, 2012 (8:53 am)
Man, that is a convoluted plan for buying a car!
#14298 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [graphicguy]
Jun 18, 2012 (12:09 pm)
These are cars that are really at the very pinnacle of the lux/sports car round up.
We are very fortunate to be able to drive these incredible machines. My one friend has a more incredible car though, he has a Maserati. Unfortunately he was backing out of the driveway trying to avoid his wife's car and he scraped the bottom of the rear bumper against a car that was parked on the street. He said he wants to sell the Maserati (about 5 months old) because of a huge blind spot on the quarte panels. He asked me how much damage I estimated it would cost to fix. I thought, 2 scrapes a bit of bulge, hmmmm $600!
He said, no, $4000!
That was quite a story about how you got the new Audi...it is one beautiful car.
#14299 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [driver100]
Jun 18, 2012 (2:53 pm)
Stickguy....you're right. It's a not a direct line to get to where we ended up.
So, we left on Friday after work....GF, son and me, on our way to Chicago. Grabbed dinner once we arrived (Weber Grill.....highly recommended). Early Saturday, GF heads for the Miracle Mile. My son and I head to the Audi dealership.
We get there as soon as they open, 9:00 a.m. Two S4s are sitting in front, one black, and one white, all cleaned up. The GF didn't care which one, but liked the black one, and the white one, based on pics the sales person sent her.
Salesperson knew from our OH tags who we were, and immediately approached, offered coffee and doughnuts. "Yes" to the coffee. "No" to the doughnuts (son helped himself though). I immediately liked the black over the white one. Salesman gets the key, gives it to us for a test drive, as well as us giving the Accord keys to him for inspection.
We take a 30 minute test drive. Pull back to the dealership. Salesman asks us to meet the General Manager. We shake hands. He's a nice guy. Explains that he hates giving trade quotes without seeing the trade. He points out a couple of small parking dings and paint chips on the Honda.
Knowing where this is going, I ask...."so, you think the $9,500 offer you made is one you can't support?". A little hesitation, but in essence, that's what he was saying.
He wanted to counter. I really didn't care and got up. Asked him if he was going to keep his agreement to at least cover our gas and lodging. He seemed surprised at the suddeness that this deal came to such an abrupt halt.
He said...."I don't want this to be adversarial. Didn't you come to buy a car?"
"I did........drove 5 hours to buy one, as a matter of fact. Not willing to waste any more time".
The GM asked the sales person to get us some sodas.
"Can I see your Supplier Certificate?"
"Sure, but I'm stuck on the $9,500 for the trade".
He gave a cursory glance at the Supplier Certificate.
"We want you as a customer, no matter how far away you live. We're not going to dicker with you over a few hundred dollars. We appreciate you coming all this way to do business with us. Congratulations on your new car."
30 minutes later, finished with F&I, I was in the delivery area with the sales person going over the features. As we finished, the GM came out, gave me a $100 gift certificate to Rosebuds Restaurant in downtown Chicago.
Good deal. Good dealership. Good experience. Great car!
#14300 of 16989 Re: Audi pics [graphicguy]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jun 18, 2012 (3:52 pm)
gave me a $100 gift certificate to Rosebuds Restaurant in downtown Chicago.
Nice... I like the one on Rush Street... better ambiance..