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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14040 of 16984 So whatchu whatchu want
May 18, 2012 (4:36 pm)
While my car was a leftover when I got it, there were certain compromises I was willing to make. The majority of 328xis on dealer lots (there were thousands of them) were built by BMW for the specific purpose of "cheap leasing.". Basically the cars had value pkg, hate steering wheel, & split folding seats with an MSRP of right around $40K so anybody who watches TV & has $2500 plus $340 a month can drive off in a 328xi.
Here were the MUST HAVES if I was going to part ways with my fully loaded 2010 Acura TSX w/ Tech Pkg:
Xenon Adaptive Headlights
I was very open to pretty much every color as long as it wasn't black ("Never More)
I do love my car in Titanium Silver.
#14041 of 16984 Re: Original Post [qbrozen]
May 18, 2012 (6:58 pm)
Qbroz talking about the auto Benz " as I don't drive mine in auto mode"
Should of just bought the manual then,
And for you to say when you drive the auto mini van - vs driving a stick you are as engaged - that's funny. "I am just as aware of what gear I'm in those autos as my manuals) even funnier - modern autos have 4-5-6-7-8 (flightnurse favorite because of the 300c) and 9, some don't change gears at all- quick exam in the minivsn - so approaching a hill at 50 mph, the street turns to a 35 mph zone - you approach at 50 then slow- as you are midway thru a 35mph hill - what gear where you in at the bottom, middle and then top of the hill?
Don't say you are an enthusiast and pump autos and dump manuals - whoever does is not an enthusiast. (I'm sure you will repost this in your rebuttal)
#14042 of 16984 Re: Original Post [sweendogy]
May 19, 2012 (3:28 am)
Qbroz talking about the auto Benz " as I don't drive mine in auto mode"
Should of just bought the manual then
pump autos and dump manuals
First off, its a bimmer. Second, I already stated why I bought the auto (eg, faster, wife can drive). Third, I never once "dump[ed]" manuals. I own 2, as I already stated. And I haven't "pump[ed]" autos. I've been quite clear that I chose the best option for me per car. You obviously aren't reading what I write and making up things to argue, so I will stop wasting my time on you.
#14044 of 16984 Re: Ordering - data point. . . [dino001]
May 19, 2012 (7:10 am)
Dino what was the reason for the deposit, did the dealer tell you? As I have posted we have been looking at a new 5 series or 7 series, of course it would be ordered how we want it. So far the dealer has told us no deposit needed.
#14045 of 16984 Re: Ordering - data point. . . [flightnurse]
May 19, 2012 (8:56 am)
Flight...before my 335i was found sitting at port, my dealer had already ordered exactly what I wanted.....no deposit required. As my sales person said...."one way or another, we were going to get you the car you wanted, either fom the port, or 6 weeks later directly from the factory.
I even asked him what they would have done with the ordered car if I had decided not to buy it?
He said he would have had absolutely no problem selling it to someone else.
#14046 of 16984 Re: Ordering - data point. . . [flightnurse]
May 19, 2012 (9:39 am)
Standard procedure for special orders, especially for cars like stick shift wagon. If I were to stand them up, who'd buy it? Now, if I wanted a coupe or convertible, they may not want one, I don't know.
Anyway, I was prepared to pay it, anyway. To me it is completely reasonable to want a deposit if a customer wants something you know may not sell for a year. It's not a matter of price, it's matter of market demand for a particular product.
#14047 of 16984 Re: Ordering - data point. . . [dino001]
May 19, 2012 (11:48 am)
Is there a way to order a car directly from the company, and not the dealer?
What type of discount from msrp can one expect, if any.?
#14048 of 16984 Re: Ordering - data point. . . [sweendogy]
May 19, 2012 (2:04 pm)
No there isn't - absolutely no. BMW is actually one of the stronger supporters of its dealer networks (i.e. it is very good to be their dealer). My German liason in BMW Welt told me they were last ones from German manufacturers to introduce factory center pickup, mostly due to concerns over their dealers. And they really stress the origin dealer, even during delivery process (on monitors of upcoming deliveries there is name and dealer). It comes from history - BMW was rescued by a consortium of investors and dealer during its near bancruptcy experience (I think it was 50s) - they basically put the money to prevent the takeover by Daimler Benz.
Discount? I basically got $1000 off the Euro Delivery MSRP, which is 93% of base US MSRP plus full MSRP on options. Not a supreme deal by any means. If I were more aggressive, I might have got extra $500, maybe tad more, but there were additional circumstances around this order, which you can read in Sales Frontlines board - I wrote it around September (in the nutshell I was driving dealer's 328i loaner for over two weeks, which adds some value). Tampa dealers are not very "discounty", especially on orders. At time of the order, 2012 was in production, there weren't even special interest/lease offers published.
Here is the main difference: currently BMW runs some cash incentives, both dealer's and customer's on existing inventory. Those incentives often have short expirations (month or so), which basically means they cannot be guaranteed on orders. They often get extended, but there is no guarantee. Moreover, none of them apply to Euro Delivery.
This are in nutshell reasons why orders get this "doing you a favor" attitude. No instant gratification, no instant money who knows what it will be then, so if you want it, you pay. I did, but I can see why others won't. The differential can be too compelling to ignore, especially if you don't really care if it's black or grey, or if it has sunroof or not. I do care more than most - and knowing my taste is off-mainstream, I have to adjust pricing expectations. I'm OK with that, as long as it is reasonable and in return I get right treatment. My salesman was an impressive middle-aged gentlemen with manners worthy the premium brand (e.g. every morning he recorded time-stamped voice mail greeting every work day, so you'd know if he is at work that day, or not). When you see manners like that, it is a little easier to part with the money, if you know what I mean.
#14049 of 16984 Re: Ordering - data point. . . [dino001]
May 19, 2012 (1:47 pm)
Dino- thanks for the detailed response - very good color on the process- the special circumstance you had and the way they responded for sure has great value- I've read on some BMW blogs that owners were paying 500-1000 over invoice for special orders, dont know the validity of these statements or if they included options, which can add up quick on these cars.
I've mentioned before I've seen ONE m packaged 3 wagon in my work parking lot and I liked the looks and to see a wagon with a 6 speed is so cool. You have any pix of yours - would love to see how it looks - one I saw was black.