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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13802 of 16984 German vs. Japanese Ergonomics
Apr 20, 2012 (1:45 am)
I've owned/leased many German and Japanese sedans, i.e. Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Audi and Mercedes, and have found Japanese ergonomics (interior design) to be more "techy", roomier and busier than German automobiles. On the other hand, I have found that German vehicles (ergonomics) less "flamboyant", more "earthy", more functional and easier to master!
This opinion is based upon yearly new car purchases. Even when comparing German to German vehicles, BMW is a sporty luxury vehicle as is Audi while I've found Mercedes to be a luxury sport sedan. I currently own a 2012 E350 sport sedan and find it more ergonomically satisfying than the other German entrants.
But Lexus is a bit more "relaxed" while Infiniti is a bit "stiffer" ergonomically! I would compare Infiniti more closely with BMW and Audi - than with Mercedes or Lesus. In fact, Lexus is in a class by itself as is Mercedes - each quite different ergonomically from Audi, BMW and Infiniti.
I truly enjoy the Mercedes interior and refinements and find its ergonomics to be somewhat of a cross between the subtler Lexus and the stiffer BMW-Audi-Infiniti.
Let's face it - all entrants here have successfully enjoyed gains in US market-share. The reason is that each attracts followers of different needs and desires.
Just thought I'd share some thoughts and experiences.
#13803 of 16984 Re: The next g [flightnurse]
Apr 20, 2012 (1:59 am)
Once again not following - I was commenting on the 2012 with the dsg- which this car - being a 2012 was just released. I'm sure the owners are getting better mpg- and so have every tester review ive read- but To say the dsg is better then the manual I can't agree, certainly after he reviews I've read and seeing the manual has better Mpgs- jetta has same engine but actually gets worse mpg then this new rig.
#13804 of 16984 Re: German vs. Japanese Ergonomics [abacomike]
Apr 20, 2012 (6:43 am)
Abacomike.....appreciate your inputs. I was actually considering an E350 coupe last year before I pulled the trigger on the 335i coupe. I followed your posts fairly regularly over on the MB boards. Yoru input over there was quite useful.
While I didnt't find the Benzes to be compelling enough for my serious consideration, your knowledge of them was quite useful.
Needless to say, I prefered the interior of my BMW over the E350 coupe.
#13805 of 16984 Re: The next g [sweendogy]
Apr 20, 2012 (6:56 am)
Sweeny not too sure why you have have a hard time understanding..
The TDI engine has been around for a while, even though it is in a NEW body style, the data from the current Jetta and last Gen Passt still can be used to compare. In fact the current Passt weights less and has better CD then last Gen passt so the current car would get better mileage. Not too sure why this is tough for you to understand.
#13806 of 16984 Re: The next g [flightnurse]
Apr 20, 2012 (10:25 am)
That's not entirely accurate. TDI trade mark has been around for years, but the current engine is quite new. Until 2009 or so VAG was using completely different technology on their diesels, based on pump-injection device. It was a 4-cylinder 1.9 l - crude, noisy, but very stout and durable. Their current TDI is 2.0 l uses common rail technology, more modern indeed, but its durability is not as impressive. It is also more expensive to maintain.
#13807 of 16984 Re: The next g [dino001]
Apr 20, 2012 (12:06 pm)
Thx you Dino- Flight my question and response was on the new 2012 which i mentioned a couple of times.
#13808 of 16984 Re: My Primary Beef. . . [andres3]
Apr 20, 2012 (1:25 pm)
AC compressors that can't last 40K.
Oh you mean Honda CRV AC compressors
#13809 of 16984 Re: My Primary Beef. . . [andres3]
Apr 20, 2012 (1:24 pm)
automatic transmissions that can't go 70K without being rebuilt
Oh, you mean Honda Odyssey transmissions
#13810 of 16984 Re: German vs. Japanese Ergonomics [graphicguy]
Apr 20, 2012 (3:39 pm)
Thanks! BMW's manufacture great cars. I just had a very bad experience with 2-2008 535i's. So I gave up on BMW. It was electrical issues on 2 brand new535i's that had the same problems. The 3 series are great cars. Enjoy!
#13811 of 16984 Re: German vs. Japanese Ergonomics [abacomike]
Apr 21, 2012 (7:05 am)
Mercedes makes good ones, too. You've found a line you know and enjoy. Stop by here from time-to-time. Would like to read some of your insights.