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#13795 of 16087 Re: The next g [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Apr 19, 2012 (1:25 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 19, 2012 11:14 am)
Since the Tdi was just released I would question the data until such cars are actually driven.
 
Tech on the m g z and max are very close I agree. But I would argue they are making an effort - again look at the base 3 and explain to me where the the tech is? I think BMW uses the same radio they did in 1996.. And there is no excuse not to have leather as standard.
 
Mpg on Infinitis - I own one and I'm not even close on the city rating - I get like 14 which is truck like terrible.

#13796 of 16087 This person needs some advice... by kirstie_h HOST

Apr 19, 2012 (1:28 pm)

and I think this group could offer good opinions:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f25809c/

#13797 of 16087 Re: The next g [graphicguy] by sweendogy

Apr 19, 2012 (7:21 pm)

Replying to: graphicguy (Apr 19, 2012 12:37 pm)
So we are now compairing the handling of a midsize flagship to a compact sports sedan. The BMW love is great but let's keep it fair- apples to apples
 
Here's what aol cars said about the "heavy handling"
 
"Even without the Sport Package (which adds 20-inch alloys, performance tires, 4-Wheel Active Steer and more), the M37 handles very well. Thrown into a corner, its sport sedan underpinnings (Nissan's shared rear-wheel-drive FM platform) come alive. It's not a track star, but on public roads it's much more capable than 99 percent of its drivers will ever require"
 
I guess if your tracking your car I would of went with the 3 as well- but then again I also would picked the manual transmission if your a True performance enthiuisius.

#13798 of 16087 Re: The next g [flightnurse] by smarty666

Apr 19, 2012 (7:55 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 19, 2012 11:14 am)
Wow, that opinion is almost 360 degrees opposite of most reviews I read online about Nissan and Infiniti interiors. Most say they are ergonomically sounds and easy to learn with few buttons. Have you seen the center stack on an Acura lately?
 
I agree with Sween though on the BMW interior, what differences does it make if it has crisp lines, if it looks drab and boring. I do like Audi interior's though.

#13799 of 16087 Re: The next g [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Apr 19, 2012 (8:17 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Apr 19, 2012 1:25 pm)
Sweeny the TDi has been around almost 10 yrs, even the last Gen Passt has it. The Current Jetta gets better MPG then what the EPA states, which is a good enough data point to start with, and current owners of the MY 2012 Passt have reported (go to the website) better then what the EPA posted. It is safe to say that the Passt will get better MPG...

#13800 of 16087 Re: My Primary Beef. . . [flightnurse] by andres3

Apr 19, 2012 (11:27 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 16, 2012 8:54 am)
Spring Mountain is a great venue in Pahrump, NV. I'd like to get out to Willow Springs sometime.
 
AS to durability vs. reliablity. I think that guy Mark has it all confused.
 
He's talking about maintenance costs (or lack thereof because of prepaid plans; whether built-in or added). Maintenance costs have nothing to do with reliability or durability.
 
Reliability issues come from Chrysler using corroded metals and wires for starter cables, batteries, and terminals. Other issues come from faulty O2 sensors, fuel pumps, O-rings, head gaskets, automatic transmissions that can't go 70K without being rebuilt, parking brake problems, rattles, short-lived belts, AC compressors that can't last 40K.
 
Reliability issues are things that I have to pay for when I bought a Dodge but never had to pay for when I bought a Honda (and not because of a prepaid built-in maintenance plan aka BMW)!. I had to get brake pads and rotors for both, so that doesn't count. There's just a million things and parts that break down on a domestic product that never seem to be an issue in my Japanese and German experiences.

#13801 of 16087 Re: CR and a couple of WORDS [markcincinnati] by andres3

Apr 19, 2012 (11:36 pm)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 13, 2012 11:33 am)
If all cars are reliable then I'll pay you to cover the repairs on my next 10 vehicles up to 100K miles and 10 years (ala Hyundai) for the grand total of $100.00. That should be an acceptable amount for you to assume all liability for all repairs for breakdowns since all cars are reliable, as you so state.
 
Put your money where your mouth is..... somehow, I don't think you will sign this contract...

#13802 of 16087 German vs. Japanese Ergonomics by abacomike

Apr 20, 2012 (2:45 am)

I've owned/leased many German and Japanese sedans, i.e. Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Audi and Mercedes, and have found Japanese ergonomics (interior design) to be more "techy", roomier and busier than German automobiles. On the other hand, I have found that German vehicles (ergonomics) less "flamboyant", more "earthy", more functional and easier to master!
 
This opinion is based upon yearly new car purchases. Even when comparing German to German vehicles, BMW is a sporty luxury vehicle as is Audi while I've found Mercedes to be a luxury sport sedan. I currently own a 2012 E350 sport sedan and find it more ergonomically satisfying than the other German entrants.
 
But Lexus is a bit more "relaxed" while Infiniti is a bit "stiffer" ergonomically! I would compare Infiniti more closely with BMW and Audi - than with Mercedes or Lesus. In fact, Lexus is in a class by itself as is Mercedes - each quite different ergonomically from Audi, BMW and Infiniti.
 
I truly enjoy the Mercedes interior and refinements and find its ergonomics to be somewhat of a cross between the subtler Lexus and the stiffer BMW-Audi-Infiniti.
 
Let's face it - all entrants here have successfully enjoyed gains in US market-share. The reason is that each attracts followers of different needs and desires.
 
Just thought I'd share some thoughts and experiences.

#13803 of 16087 Re: The next g [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Apr 20, 2012 (2:59 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 19, 2012 8:17 pm)
Once again not following - I was commenting on the 2012 with the dsg- which this car - being a 2012 was just released. I'm sure the owners are getting better mpg- and so have every tester review ive read- but To say the dsg is better then the manual I can't agree, certainly after he reviews I've read and seeing the manual has better Mpgs- jetta has same engine but actually gets worse mpg then this new rig.

#13804 of 16087 Re: German vs. Japanese Ergonomics [abacomike] by graphicguy

Apr 20, 2012 (7:43 am)

Replying to: abacomike (Apr 20, 2012 2:45 am)
Abacomike.....appreciate your inputs. I was actually considering an E350 coupe last year before I pulled the trigger on the 335i coupe. I followed your posts fairly regularly over on the MB boards. Yoru input over there was quite useful.
 
While I didnt't find the Benzes to be compelling enough for my serious consideration, your knowledge of them was quite useful.
 
Needless to say, I prefered the interior of my BMW over the E350 coupe.

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