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#13608 of 16251 Re: Any other cars to talk about? [kdshapiro] by sweendogy

Apr 03, 2012 (3:18 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Apr 03, 2012 2:01 pm)
Agree the refinement is something for sure. I'm sure the new BMW 3 for 2012 should help the dated interior and nav setup, as others have pointed out. Audi continues to excel at interiors and is the standard for the class for such. The 25% or more msrp difference is Hard to ignore for the 335 vs g37- (please dont argue with me - ive priced them option for option) and even the msrp for the 328 balloons to 50k. I think NyC did a great job getting the deal on a great car- and I wish him well and I hope to see him on the Merritt one day.
My argument has never been the g as a better car- but a better value for a lot of the same things the BMW does. The g or Acura might never be the top pick for car and driver mag, or the "true driver"- but in consumer reports they have consistently ranked better. An unbiased news rag with no advertising support- I think the true driver, a person who wants the true sport and performance is going to get the 335 or 328 - with sport and stick. Other then that set up these cars in this class are very close regardless of price. -

#13609 of 16251 Re: Another Perspective [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Apr 03, 2012 (3:26 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Apr 03, 2012 9:42 am)
There is a difference between comparing two cars and mentioning cars. No were are you going to find anyone comparing a mustang (Boss 302) to a BMW.
 
Now I would love to add the Chrysler 300C to the list, after having one for 8 days I have to say for the price you get a lot for your money. When the 8 spd auto goes into the car for MY 2013 this will be a car that will give Infiniti and BMW a run for their money...

#13610 of 16251 Re: Another Perspective [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Apr 03, 2012 (4:55 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 03, 2012 3:26 pm)
I don't understand the first paragraph - but agree the chryster has made major strides in a short period. Nice job flight - your back

#13611 of 16251 Re: Any other cars to talk about? [stickguy] by flightnurse

Apr 03, 2012 (3:49 pm)

Replying to: stickguy (Apr 03, 2012 1:00 pm)
Hey Stick I agree with you to a point regarding depreciation. Price is a relative thing, if I couldn't afford a new BMW, yes, I would go for a CPO BMW, but I keep my cars longer then most, currently I have no plans on selling my 05. If I had to sell one of my BMW the 2011 is a goner.
 
My partner hasn't made up is mind what car he wants, he was edging towards a 535i, I was sort of pushing towards a 740i (same engine with 15+ more hp.) But he started looking at used A7s he is looking at price (trying to save some money.) So who knows what we will buy, but for him price is playing a factor.

#13612 of 16251 Re: Another Perspective [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Apr 03, 2012 (3:53 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Apr 03, 2012 4:55 pm)
Sweeny the reason why you don't understand the first paragraph is simple, it was directed at you comparing a Jeep to a BMW...
 
With the 8 spd coming to 300C, the might G will have major competition in the best bang for the buck. For under 40K the 300c will be a major player. Just as long as Chrysler doesn't program the 300c to go into "eco" mode so quickly even BMW will have to watch out.

#13613 of 16251 Re: Another Perspective [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Apr 03, 2012 (4:47 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 03, 2012 3:53 pm)
And your back to the defensive norm- if you follow the posts my comment again was for stick guy saying the 328xi autonwas scary fast in the real world- and I responded with saying the jeep was almost as fast - but it's a jeep, thats the point -
 
Fun odd fsct- Jeep and the c300 share the same parent - please give us updates on when to expect the 8speed auto becomes available.

#13614 of 16251 Re: Any other cars to talk about? [kdshapiro] by nyccarguy

Apr 03, 2012 (4:30 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Apr 03, 2012 2:01 pm)
Kdshapiro - Thanks my man! I just love the car and cannot say enough good things about it. Haven't heard from you in a while & glad you are still here!
 
BTW men - I turned 36 today!

#13615 of 16251 Re: Another Perspective [flightnurse] by m6user

Apr 03, 2012 (4:31 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Apr 03, 2012 3:53 pm)
Gee, didn't know Chrylser was a luxury brand. Never see it mentioned in the rags as such. Since the Chrysler 200 is the "entry-level" Chrysler and can have the same engine as the 300, I guess one could make an argument that the 200 should be part of this discussion. Wait, isn't that the remake of the acclaimed Sebring? That will never do.
 
It seems like anytime someone drives a car with leather, some power and decent driving attributes they think it's ELLPS. Use some discretion folks. The 8spd is offered in the Charger. Again, leather, decent handling, 8spd tranny and good power from a v6. Should it also be ELLPS?
 
Personally, I think there is more to being a luxury brand than nice leather. Including driving experience, styling that holds up over time, amenities, cutting edge tech, customer service, warranty, dealer experience and overall quality of components. I don't think Chrysler is there yet....maybe a couple of pieces but not the whole pie.

#13616 of 16251 Re: Any other cars to talk about? [nyccarguy] by stickguy

Apr 03, 2012 (4:55 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Apr 03, 2012 4:30 pm)
happy birthday. Keep enjoying that early present.
 
I was 36 once. A long time ago. A real long time.
 
I have a birthday in a few weeks, but it is much more renowned than 36 (as a milestone!)

#13617 of 16251 Re: Any other cars to talk about? [nyccarguy] by flightnurse

Apr 03, 2012 (8:05 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Apr 03, 2012 1:30 pm)
I love Alfa's, I had a GTV-6 for a short period, the music the engine made was so Ferrari like however, like all Italian Cars, if they are not kept up as far as service they are a nightmare to keep running. However, I would have to assume that the modern day ALfa's are not of the old, much more derivable and much less a problem. I'm for once waiting to see what the new Dart will look like in person and drive.. Hoping that National will get them as rentals I would have to give it a try.

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