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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13413 of 16984 Word on 2013 BMW 3 xdrive cars
Mar 13, 2012 (9:38 am)
Was told by a local dealer that the 2013 sedans (dk about coupes) will be automatic only. Don't know if this is fact but what he relayed to me when I inquired about ordering one.
I've searched the web- only thing I've seen is they discontinued manuals on 535 x drives.
If that's the case this leaves a select few with manual awd option, which would bum me out as a driving enthuiaists.
#13414 of 16984 Re: Word on 2013 BMW 3 xdrive cars [sweendogy]
Mar 13, 2012 (9:48 am)
Yeah, nothing kills true sporting excitement like getting rid of a fine manual gearbox and putting in a box full of rubber bands and hydraulics. That's one thing Mercedes and Volvo have also done recently, and why I'm not putting them on my short list any more.
#13415 of 16984 Re: Back in the segment: observations from 3 test drives [graphicguy]
Mar 13, 2012 (12:06 pm)
I loved the CTS, especially the cooled seats that seemed to function far better than other vehicles (TX hot...hate sweaty back...).
My big problem with the CTS (a few years ago when I drove one) was the Nav interface. It seemed real low tech with low resolution pixelated graphics; reminded me of an 80's video game. Another issues was the slow shifting automatic...
Seems like a silly thing to disqualify a contender but I couldn't look at that screen for 3-5 years.
I'd put the interior design at #1 and materials #2 for a fully loaded CTS with 'sky' roof. One of the few vehicles I've been in where I said "wow". The 'low-end' CTS really did look like a low-end vehicle (drove one to try the manual).
Another 'plus' is the exterior is unique (love it or hate it).
#13416 of 16984 Re: Back in the segment: observations from 3 test drives [ivan_99]
Mar 13, 2012 (4:31 pm)
ivan...depends on how long ago you looked. The current CTS Nav is very clear, with very nice graphics. I didn't take a long enough test drive to really give the trans a work out. Seemed fine to me. But, who knows over the long haul.
I've always felt that GM makes some of the best automatic transmissions in the world however.
Not a big fan of Bose. But, the one in the CTS (surround system) was probably better than any factory stereo I've heard. And, I've heard a lot of good ones....the Pioneer in my former TL, the Harmon Kardon in my current 335i, and the Bang & Olufson I heard test driving an Audi S4.
#13417 of 16984 'Vette Re: Back in the segment: observations [flightnurse]
Mar 13, 2012 (5:01 pm)
I drove a 'Vette for 30,000 miles.
I agree that it was a blast to drive.
Mine did not 'fall apart'.
#13418 of 16984 Upgrading from a Mazda3
Mar 13, 2012 (5:46 pm)
I'm looking to upgrade from my '07 Mazda3s. While I love the Mazda's handling, braking, well-bolstered seats, and Bose stereo, its a little small, underpowered, and noisy. I do not, however, want to give up the manual transmission and the excellent steering feel. I am a little worried that some of the ELLPS lose that steering feel with a little too much power assistance. Trying to keep the price in the mid $30k range. Thanks, in advance, for any advice.
#13419 of 16984 Re: Upgrading from a Mazda3 [dag63]
Mar 13, 2012 (6:13 pm)
I like the fact your keeping the manual transmission - its the way to go for sure. Prob your going to have is mid 30k price.They only one comes to mind is the Tsx which is quiet and has a good engine and sweet 6 speed- car is a little bloated in current form thou- has a nice radio and good service - and will be replaced by a new acura based on the civic soon. . The is250 (haven't driven it) could prob be had for that range if you could find a manual on a dealer lot. G 37 is over 40k along with the TL - but with deals you could prob get under 40k. BMW 328 if you could find a stripper or a experimental deal situation, maybe a cTs in stripped form . I might be missing some. Good luck-
#13420 of 16984 Re: Upgrading from a Mazda3 [sweendogy]
Mar 13, 2012 (6:24 pm)
IMHO it's going to be tough in the $30's. There isn't much out there that handles like a Mazda 3 until you get to the $40's. The TSX also came to my mind, but no way it will handle like the Mazda, although it would be more luxurious. How about the G25? Or perhaps a fully loaded Jetta.
#13421 of 16984 Re: Upgrading from a Mazda3 [dag63]
Mar 13, 2012 (7:20 pm)
I bought an 08 VW GLI last summer and couldn't be much happier for the price. Yes, I bought it used, but with only 18k miles, it was still very fresh inside and out.
The GLI has a slick 6sp manual OR the very popular DSG. I have the manual and it drives very well.
Starting in the mid 30s, you can outfit them with the full options kit at $30. If you want to tick up the performance, the turbo can be chipped for an extra 50 hp and swapping brakes would return you a car that pulls like a MazdaSpeed3, nets 30 mph highway, has four doors, and can carve curves in a slightly subdued, but still spirited way. The car buttons down nicely.
Haven't owned the CTS or the 3, but have driven both and the A4 and I would put this car one slim tier below them - but without any of the snob factor. It becomes a very subtle Q-ship, and every time I zip past someone on the country roads between home and the cities, I get a pretty big grin from the pull of that turbo.
And yes, I just recently chipped my car (REVO) and it has added a brashness to the car's personality - still a q-ship, but with even more grunt under the gas pedal.
#13422 of 16984 Re: Upgrading from a Mazda3 [tlong]
Mar 13, 2012 (7:40 pm)
No stick in the G25 pretty sure.
the TSX is probably the best choice in the category, unless you can find a killer deal on a strippo 3 series.
Can the Passat V6 come with stick? not really a handler, but an interesting option.
Audi A4 come in price wise?