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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13243 of 16982 Re: Dealer pricing [flightnurse]
Feb 28, 2012 (2:57 pm)
"You should be able to find a CPO 2009 off lease with less then 40K, which would increase the warranty to 100K for mid to low 20's."
Based on the stickers I saw, I am very sure I cannot get a CPO 2009 335i for less than $30K.
Fortunately, I'm not interested in a 335i. After driving it, I didn't like the response of the throttle. It's not turbo lag, per se, but there is definitely a disconnected feeling that I don't like.
The only BMW I would consider right now is an E90 M3. I've given myself an upper limit of $60K (but I'd prefer to stay below $50K). I'm in no hurry so I can wait for the right car and deal.
#13244 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [flightnurse]
Feb 28, 2012 (4:52 pm)
I was first really interested in the G25 when it came out, but when I saw the mpg rating (which is the same as a RWD G37) for its size engine, it completely turned me off. I hope Infiniti rectifies it.
I agree with the Nissan diesels in other countries, why they don't bring them over. I highly doubt they will, especially with the M hybrid, it seems that, at least Infiniti, is going to do a hybrid as their fuel efficient choice of technology.
I agree, Infiniti is much like BMW in doing an evolution of their vehicles rather than a revolution, so I expect only a moderate refresh will be done on the G lineup. If they go in the direction of the essence concept, then they should be in good shape design wise.
#13245 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [smarty666]
Feb 29, 2012 (5:08 pm)
From what I read Nissan and mb are getting together on a 6. Being a Nissan fan I don't know what to expect because from what I'm hearing mb is doing most of the work- should be interesting - I dont think it's going to be ready by 2013 so I don't know of any real update for the G is really in store - atleast what I have read - please share any links detailing the new G
#13246 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [sweendogy]
Feb 29, 2012 (7:54 pm)
The G is in its 6th model year, 2007-2012, its due for a redesign. Sales have sagged on the G, and with the new 3 Series, I can't see any logical reason to prolong the redesign into a 7th model year. I don't know of any luxury make bread/butter model, that has gone that long without a moderate-major redesign.
#13247 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [smarty666]
Mar 01, 2012 (12:47 am)
The Lexus IS350 is from 2006 and is basically the same for 2012...same engine/transmission.
The 2007 G was a G35...it was G37 in 2009.
The IS is probably not Lexus' "bread/butter"...but whatever food group it belongs to, it's starting to smell a bit after so many years.
I have an IS and if I were shopping today it probably wouldn't be close to the top of my list.
#13248 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [smarty666]
Mar 01, 2012 (5:50 am)
The sales comment and redesign is tht your opinion or fact? If fact from where? Like I said mb and Nissan getting together on a 6 that will be the standard engine for a boatload of cars - I have no read anything on the redesign, which is funny because it's match and Infiniti usually releases new models in oct-
#13249 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [smarty666]
Mar 01, 2012 (6:24 am)
Didn't realize the G's current iteration was that "mature". But, you're right, it's time for a major upgrade. They've got about as much mileage out of that platform (both the Altima and the G) as they can wring out of it.
Same with the IS. I remember looking at an IS350 6 years ago. Wanted to pull the trigger, but the local Lexus dealer acted insulted that I tried to negotiate on it. Now, I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on one.
I can see how the current lux/sport landscape is settling in. On the very top end, you have the BMW 3. On the mid-range, you have the A4/5 and Mercedes C. On the entry range, there's the TL and the G....these are the biggest "bang for the buck" in this range.
I'm going to watch the next iterations of the TL and the G closely. I've always liked both.
#13250 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [sweendogy]
Mar 01, 2012 (8:08 pm)
Fact: The G is in its sixth model year 2007-2012
- your playing with semantics, all that changed between 2008 and 2009 was the 3.7 liter V6 and 7spd transmission.
Fact: The G was down 9% for Jan 2012 in sales and just now broke even with YTD in 2011.
Fact: The introduction of the G25 did not increase the G's overall sales number in the quantity Infiniti originally hoped for.
Fact: The Altima is being redesigned for 2013
With this FACTUAL information, there is a need to introduce a redesign G that is more refined, has much better mpg, etc than the current 2nd Gen G series. Like someone else mentioned, Infiniti has milked its current iteration. They need something fresh to keep nipping on the heels of the 3-Series!
Hey, I'm not Infiniti hater, I had an Infiniti at one point, but they need to get their act together to stay competitive. I think this co-op with Mercedes will bring the refinement to the Infiniti line-up that everyone has wanted and complained about for years. I hope they apply this as well and bring a redesigned FX and EX b/c those two crossovers are not helping their sales numbers either.
#13251 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [graphicguy]
Mar 01, 2012 (8:10 pm)
I'm not sure how the G is on the lower end of that range considering it is constantly compared against the 3-Series. If anything the 3-Series and G are at the top of the range, with the A4/C-Class in the middle and ES/TL on the lower end of the range.
#13252 of 16982 Re: Opinions on Infiniti [smarty666]
Mar 01, 2012 (8:56 pm)
Have you seen pictures (concepts) of the new G? It is fugly!
To my eyes, it looks like a Bizzarro World version of the Genesis Coupe.
When did the Japanese start copying the Koreans?