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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13211 of 16984 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [flightnurse]
Feb 25, 2012 (12:08 pm)
Again I agree the car experts do pick the 3 over the g - which is why again I said the G plays the second fiddle - When I responded to the OP- it was in direct response to his question, which was also in the title of your confrontational responses, so I don't need to clarify.
I've never been asked my age on here - I'm 35 Dk what that has to do with anything?
Will check out bayside BMW - M package xdrive 6speed 2010-11 on my wish list.
Long island a bit far from here but I would go to save a grand or 2
#13212 of 16984 BMWs overrated
Feb 25, 2012 (11:34 am)
BMWs used to be the cars that all other sports sedans were measured up to. They now are totally overrated in comparison to other makes that have made great strides over the years. The magazines and so called "experts" think it is sacriledge to admit that BMW is not what is once was and that other makes are just as good or better. The magazine reviewers do nothing but repeat themselves and each other and then the people that put so much faith in them repeat their junk further. The BMW lemmings have drank the kool aid so much that they don't even look outside the BMW brand. It's almost like a cult religion.
Compared to the G the BMW costs more, isn't nearly as fast(unless you get the 335 for another $10k), in the X models gets about the same mpg as a car with 100 more HP, has a shorter warranty, leather is in upgrade, dash looks like something from the 90s, comes with 16" wheels standard, trunk space of an econocar and the list goes on. Oh yeah, better not keep one more than a standard lease period if you buy cause the repairs will come and they will be expensive.
#13213 of 16984 Re: BMWs overrated [m6user]
Feb 25, 2012 (12:58 pm)
Then don't buy it. It's a free country, you can say what you want and I can freely get ripped off. To each their own. No need for aggression or name calling - completely uncalled for. I bought one after very extensive investigation, what's out there and definitely will not blindly go again. I always check others.
I actually agree to some of your points regarding levels of equipment or some design cues (I also think the dash is ridiculously low grade and leather or fold-down seats should be standard), but ... trunk size? Really? What else? Back seat too small for you? Suspension too stiff? What an outrage, I need a premium fuel? Warranty? Wow, Infiniti gives you 10k miles more on b-t-b and one year more on powertrain... big deal. BMW gives you maintenance. Let's call it a wash.
I really don't undestand the need of validating your own preferences and choices by berating others.
#13214 of 16984 Re: BMWs overrated [dino001]
Feb 25, 2012 (2:15 pm)
down dino-- wow- i dont think m6 was calling you out directly-- name calling, didnt really see that.. what i did see was an opinion on the car-- I think he made some valid pts when he talked bout 10k difference in price among others -- trunk space i agree a stretch. - lets be honest the "free" maintenance thing is something all bmw owners use as a crutch..
"BMW claims to have calculated the average maintenance cost of owning other cars for the same amount of time, ranging from $385 for a Saab to $1,112 for a Jaguar. " heres is a link we all should look at if this is the dealmaker/breaker
love the use of the words outrage, and berating others.. powerful
#13215 of 16984 Re: BMWs overrated [dino001]
Feb 25, 2012 (2:30 pm)
Please don't take things on here so personally. I just made a list off the top of my head and didn't think I needed to be totally comprehensvie to make a point. And that is what I was trying to make.....a point and it wasn't meant as an insult. You know there are a lot of people out there that buy BMWs based solely on perceived status and from what they are told by so called experts. I assume that those that frequent these forums regularly have a good understanding of what they are getting in a car.
Oh, btw, the G powertrain warranty is two years longer and more miles as well. Just trying to get the facts straight.
Feb 25, 2012 (3:28 pm)
it helps if people answer the question asked. i asked for a comparison between the acura tl and the infiniti g37. i am not interested in the 328i so no need to promote it. i love performance but i also look at the value equation. BMWs are totally overpriced in my opinion, but if the market supports it so be it. I am into handling and 0-60 and if you go with a manual TL or G no 328 comes close. A 335 will but you're now looking at $55k for the same level of equipment. So anybody else who has driven these two vehicles (G or TL) I'd love to hear your comments. Surprised that nobody is sticking up for the TL SH-AWD...I've read their AWD system compares favoribly to the S4's (Audi is also overpriced). I would consider a c350 if they brought back the AWD but you have to go down to the slow C300 for AWD in the C class.
#13217 of 16984 Re: BMWs overrated [m6user]
Feb 25, 2012 (4:24 pm)
I usually don't mind a little heat, can crank it myself at times. Opinions about issues generally don't get me worked up and I have no problem with people thinking BMW (or anything else) is an overpriced blank of blank, even if I think otherwise. That's to me within acceptable opinion difference range. It was the lemmings part that ticked me off a little. I'm cool now.
I rechecked the warranty - yes, I got my math wrong. It is 6y/70K and 4y/60K b-t-b powertrain Infiniti vs 4y/50K b-t-b BMW. It is significant, so is the maintenance. To me it's about equal value, but one may prefer one vs. the other.
#13218 of 16984 Re: BMWs overrated [dino001]
Feb 25, 2012 (4:19 pm)
significant data about the maintenance crutch..
the following was taken from BMW of Bayside website. (thanks flightnurse)
BMW has compiled data pertaining to the average cost* of maintaining other vehicles during the first four years of ownership. See how BMW's no-cost Ultimate Service plan compares:
Brand Maintenance Costs
Land Rover $233.52
i agree about equal value-- but numbers tell the story
#13219 of 16984 Re: acura vs. tl [joshuah1]
Feb 25, 2012 (4:36 pm)
"it helps if people answer the question asked. i asked for a comparison between the acura tl and the infiniti g37."
I think Sweeny answered your question.
The G is sportier and most people think it's better looking. The TL is more refined and some people think it's better looking.
#13220 of 16984 Re: acura vs. tl [joshuah1]
Feb 25, 2012 (4:45 pm)
Acura has probably more value, defined as features for a price. They have "everything is standard" approach and it usually is one option/package. I like that, but it also has its limits.
Infiniti is going to be faster, but some options can also add to the price. Acura can be had with manual and AWD combined, which is a big plus to me. To me a choice would be manual RWD Infiniti and AWD Acura, also with a stick. I hate that nose on Acura, but looks to me is something one can get used to. I'm more interested in interiors. Final decision would probably be based on availability, price of target configurations and actual test drive results.