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#13205 of 16087 G37s x vs TL SH AWD by joshuah1

Feb 24, 2012 (9:31 pm)

I am looking at the Infiniti G and the Acura TL. Either way I would get AWD. I like the G but that body style has been around for years and is due for major refresh in 2013. I don't want to get a car that looks "old" in one year. The TL is very aggressive and recently refreshed but not attractive (subjective) from all angles. The G is much faster 0-60 if you get automatic...basically the same with manual. There are many other factors to consider but performance and exterior are really important to me. Opinions?

#13206 of 16087 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [joshuah1] by sweendogy

Feb 25, 2012 (4:32 am)

Replying to: joshuah1 (Feb 24, 2012 9:31 pm)
I've made it know for years what I feel on these 2 rigs. If you want a better looking, better performer it's the G. More refinements, quiet it's the TL .
I think sales numbers and the car mags have made it clear the G is the true wInner.

#13207 of 16087 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 25, 2012 (7:54 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 25, 2012 4:32 am)
It is only a winner if you do not put the 3 series in the mix. Infiniti has come close to beating the 3 series in comparison test but haven't done it yet. I'm sure in the next few months there will be a comparison test so only time will tell.

#13208 of 16087 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 25, 2012 (11:13 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 25, 2012 7:54 am)
while you might be right its not what the poster asked. I think for the price of a stripped down 328 you can get a g37, as we mentioned before the 328 gets very pricy with options unless you have a "experimental" deal like you did. Im sure the 328 motor in your rig performs very well, the new turbo 4 even better so i think the trend will continue as infiniti plays second fiddle in this category on total package- BUT price is something to consider-- and i love saving money. The 335 while an absolute animal - now closing in on 60k, sorry thats a huge step in price from 42k-44k maxed out G.

#13209 of 16087 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 25, 2012 (11:51 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 25, 2012 11:13 am)
Sweeny until the magazines and experts say other wise, the 3 series is better car then the TL and G. When you responded to the OP (original poster) you need to clarify what you were writing. BTW, how old are you again?
 
BTW BMW of Bayside is having an excellent sale on their loaner 2011 BMW, my cousin just picked up a 2011 335iXdrive with M package, Premium Package, and Nav for $37K. It has hail damage and is not CPO car, but with only 11K miles on it it has the remaining factory warranty. It drives great, BTW, long island needs to fix their street though, the pot holes here are horrible and I thought Calif was bad...

#13210 of 16087 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [flightnurse] by plekto

Feb 25, 2012 (12:26 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 25, 2012 11:51 am)
If you go back to the three vehicles that started this entire segment, you'll see a pattern.
- BMW 3 Series (Now also includes the 1 series)
- Mercedes C Class (C class still fits here)
- Volvo 200 series (S60 would be the modern version I guess)
 
Now, times and technology have changed, but the thing that these had in common were that they were smaller versions of the larger luxury sedans and still had a bit of sportiness in them. Over time, other manufacturers added competing products, but now it seems as if everything with some leather added is now part of this group.
 
The TL is basically a Honda Lucerne. It's a big and heavy boat with luxury touches added. See the Toyota Avalon for a similar vehicle. It simply doesn't belong in this class of vehicles. Go drive a Mercedes or BMW and see what I mean - there's a massive difference.

#13211 of 16087 Re: G37s x vs TL SH AWD [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 25, 2012 (1:08 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 25, 2012 11:51 am)
Again I agree the car experts do pick the 3 over the g - which is why again I said the G plays the second fiddle - When I responded to the OP- it was in direct response to his question, which was also in the title of your confrontational responses, so I don't need to clarify.
 
I've never been asked my age on here - I'm 35 Dk what that has to do with anything?
 
Will check out bayside BMW - M package xdrive 6speed 2010-11 on my wish list.
Long island a bit far from here but I would go to save a grand or 2

#13212 of 16087 BMWs overrated by m6user

Feb 25, 2012 (12:34 pm)

BMWs used to be the cars that all other sports sedans were measured up to. They now are totally overrated in comparison to other makes that have made great strides over the years. The magazines and so called "experts" think it is sacriledge to admit that BMW is not what is once was and that other makes are just as good or better. The magazine reviewers do nothing but repeat themselves and each other and then the people that put so much faith in them repeat their junk further. The BMW lemmings have drank the kool aid so much that they don't even look outside the BMW brand. It's almost like a cult religion.
 
Compared to the G the BMW costs more, isn't nearly as fast(unless you get the 335 for another $10k), in the X models gets about the same mpg as a car with 100 more HP, has a shorter warranty, leather is in upgrade, dash looks like something from the 90s, comes with 16" wheels standard, trunk space of an econocar and the list goes on. Oh yeah, better not keep one more than a standard lease period if you buy cause the repairs will come and they will be expensive.

#13213 of 16087 Re: BMWs overrated [m6user] by dino001

Feb 25, 2012 (1:58 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Feb 25, 2012 12:34 pm)
Then don't buy it. It's a free country, you can say what you want and I can freely get ripped off. To each their own. No need for aggression or name calling - completely uncalled for. I bought one after very extensive investigation, what's out there and definitely will not blindly go again. I always check others.
 
I actually agree to some of your points regarding levels of equipment or some design cues (I also think the dash is ridiculously low grade and leather or fold-down seats should be standard), but ... trunk size? Really? What else? Back seat too small for you? Suspension too stiff? What an outrage, I need a premium fuel? Warranty? Wow, Infiniti gives you 10k miles more on b-t-b and one year more on powertrain... big deal. BMW gives you maintenance. Let's call it a wash.
 
I really don't undestand the need of validating your own preferences and choices by berating others.

#13214 of 16087 Re: BMWs overrated [dino001] by sweendogy

Feb 25, 2012 (3:15 pm)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 25, 2012 1:58 pm)
down dino-- wow- i dont think m6 was calling you out directly-- name calling, didnt really see that.. what i did see was an opinion on the car-- I think he made some valid pts when he talked bout 10k difference in price among others -- trunk space i agree a stretch. - lets be honest the "free" maintenance thing is something all bmw owners use as a crutch..
 
"BMW claims to have calculated the average maintenance cost of owning other cars for the same amount of time, ranging from $385 for a Saab to $1,112 for a Jaguar. " heres is a link we all should look at if this is the dealmaker/breaker
 
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1088569
 
love the use of the words outrage, and berating others.. powerful

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