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#13191 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [markcincinnati]
Feb 23, 2012 (6:05 pm)
I have never heard a complaint about the Acura clutch or shifter ever--- in fact I miss my 2000 GS-r because it was the nicest manual I have ever driven- I think you should bring it back for a check- I'm sure the Acura dealer has seen probably 2 other tl-s with stick in the past 5 years so dot be surprised I'd they don't know why to do with it. I think the bigger grip with the tL is its size, shape, performance and most of all looks. If this car was 5k less it's a steal- but it's priced against the g and anyone with a car magazine subscription or a pulse would pick the g - 10 out of 10 times.
#13192 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [lemmer]
Feb 23, 2012 (6:17 pm)
Mine was a 2005 TL. The clutch was like an on/off switch. The steering was heavy, with asymmetrical loading left to right (many visits to the dealer to fix this, all unsuccessful). Turning the car on a twisty expressway was like winding and unwinding a heavy spring. The car never settled down in cruise -- always fighting the steering. Great stereo, though, and one of the few cars where the auto a/c was able to hold a comfort level at one temp setting regardless of humidity and sunlight. Brembo front brakes, as the manuals had at that time. I got rid of it after about 18 months. The TSX of around the same vintage was a better if uninspiring car.
#13193 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [nkeen]
Feb 23, 2012 (6:29 pm)
The clutch is actually better with a distinct on/off point. But the issue with the steering is because it's a front wheel drive car with manual. There is absolutely no way to fix it or alter the laws of Physics to make it work like a RWD car. The steering is also extremely dead feeling as far as feedback goes so that you get nothing and then tons of torque-steer in corners. (see Buick for this behavior)
Add in lower profile tires than it should be fitted with, plus unidirectional tires that fight each other (each side's tread wants to move the tire outwards) and it's a pretty miserable highway cruiser as well (note GM and Toyota have had this issue - the "fix" is to switch to non-directional tires)
It's a fancy Avalon. No surprise that it sucked as a makeshift sport sedan.
#13194 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [flightnurse]
Feb 23, 2012 (6:38 pm)
Perhaps so. There weren't that many changes to the E90 options structure over time, one notable exception being the removal of the sunroof from the standard equipment list on the 328i, a scenario carried over to the F30. The engines were the big midstream changes, to meet the Japanese competition.
I'd bet that a lot of thought has gone into the pricing structure in order to maximize the numbers and simplify the production process. Still, in a world where HIDs are now standard on a 2013 Mustang V6.....
Speaking of E90s, I think the best auto model to drive, by far, was the 335d. I once drove the 335i and 335d back to back. The diesel packed the wallop of a torquey American V8. The 335i lacked low end grunt and felt fussy be comparison -- I never drove the manual version but I'm sure that it would be much better.
#13195 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [plekto]
Feb 23, 2012 (7:16 pm)
The clutch is actually better with a distinct on/off point.
You need a definite zone of travel where it is engaged and a zone of travel where it is not engaged, but between those you want a zone of clean linear progression for smooth uptake.
Regarding the tires, I think it had Turanzas which distorted when parked overnight in the cold and then rumbled away in the morning. The TL seemed cobbled together by some design studio in California based on what focus groups told them constituted a driver's car. And it came close in many areas. I wish the BMW was half as comfortable. Great Honda V6 too.
#13196 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [flightnurse]
Feb 23, 2012 (7:32 pm)
I drove a (F10) 535 & 550 back to back at a BMW Ultimate Drive event with my Dad. I was impressed with the 535's power delivery. It did a great job merging and I got it up to about 90. It felt great, like it could cruise at that speed for a week.
The 550 was a flat out monster. Easily one of the fastest cars I've ever driven. "Engage the hyper drive chewy." On the same stretch of highway (Garden State Pakway in NJ right near the NY border), I hit 120 before I backed off. It was awesome.
#13197 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [sweendogy]
Feb 23, 2012 (8:01 pm)
Sweeny did u at one time own a BUICK GN?
#13198 of 16984 Re: F30 328i [nyccarguy]
Feb 23, 2012 (8:06 pm)
NYCarguy that is why I call the 2012 550i a M5 light... For a car that is 10K more then a top out 335i, the 550i is a bargain... Now drive with a 6 spd manual..
Feb 23, 2012 (9:52 pm)
For those that have driven them, how is the throttle response of the new T-4 vs. the T-6?
I really like the 335i but one thing I don't like is the throttle/turbo response. Maybe I'm just OCD about throttle response, but I really prefer a direct link between my right foot and the throttle bodies. While the 335i is better than most turbos I've driven, it's still got that rubber band feeling.
Feb 23, 2012 (10:56 pm)
Hey Fed the throttle response of the T-4 was fine, of course once the turbo is spooled up you are hard press to know it is a t-4, off the line there is slight turbo lag, but I'm sure the aftermarket companies will fix that. The T-6 is very hard press to know it is a turbo even off the line. But there are a couple of aftermarket companies that can make the t-6 a true screamer with very little money... Also to note, the t-4 cars has a switch that can program the DME to adjust the throttle response for sport to Econ to Comfort.