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#13067 of 16249 Re: 2012 BMW 3 sedan [sweendogy] by dino001

Feb 13, 2012 (6:44 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 12, 2012 7:57 pm)
2012 3XXix and 335d sedan will be still old body and engines, just like coupe and convertible. I don't have any insider info, but new Fxx body will probably be 2013 for those. No way to say when, if all of it will come at fall, or if they space it out from spring to winter, as they usually do. Strategically it is better to have something to talk about every three months than have big talk once, but production lines have to be switched. When I was in Munich in October, they were making both new sedan and old wagon bodies on the same line, but that may be unique to that place.
 
For now, new body/engine will only be on 328i and 335i sedans, which is announced, but I don't think it has come to lots yet.

#13068 of 16249 Re: "My" 2012 BMW 328i [flightnurse] by graphicguy

Feb 13, 2012 (8:07 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 09, 2012 2:39 pm)
Around OH, KY, IN, TN, etc, a loaded 328i with M and other options are tough to come by. They usually reserve those options for the 335i. That said, $47K for a 328i is a ton of money. I can buy a 335i for less than that.
 
That said, BMW dealers don't sell at a loss. They'll hold on to a 328i like you describe, use it as a loaner, or a demo. But, dealers sell just about all the ones they can get their hands on. IF you bought it at $7K-$8K off MSRP, the option list may not be what is reported, or it has a bunch of miles on it as a demo/loaner.
 
BTW.....took my 3er in to have the oil changed (6K miles, paid for it out of my own pocket....next one is on BMW), and they let me drive a '12 328i sedan. Interesting with a 4 cy...drive train's a lilttle rough.... uncharacteristic of a BMW. Significantly down on power compared to mine, too.
 
From the outside, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between an '11 and a '12. Interesting interior (don't know the name of it). Looks like the interior of a 5 series. IF you like the 5, you'll like the new 3.
 
But, as mentioned, the coupe/'vert for '12 is the same as my '11 coupe. So, not significant changes there for awhile.
 
Ride, handling, etc? About the same as an '11.
 
As I told my sales person (who is always nice to me when I stop by), "I'd take a steeply discounted '11 over this "updated" '12".
 
He agreed with me.
 
Should be interesting to see the sales numbers this year. They say MPG will go way up on the '12. But, I'm getting 23-24 MPG in mixed driving on mine, already. And, I've got a heavy right foot.

#13069 of 16249 Re: 2012 BMW 3 sedan [dino001] by flightnurse

Feb 13, 2012 (8:08 am)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 13, 2012 6:44 am)
Motor Trend reported that only the Sedan will be available for 2012, coupe and convertible will be old body style. Mid summer BMW will release the M package for the 328i and 335i. A 4 cyl diesel to be released by fall (look for mid 40's highway mpg.) The 6 cyl diesel will be dropped from the 3 series completely when the 4 cyl diesel is released.

#13070 of 16249 Re: 2012 BMW 3 sedan [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 13, 2012 (8:15 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 12, 2012 7:57 pm)
In Phoenix I test drove a 2012 328i sport with tech package and assorted goodies, price was 42K. I liked it, the turbo 4 pulls very strong, yes it is faster then 2011 328i, the car has more room in it, and an adult that is 6 ft tall can fit in the rear seat comfortably. Over all nice car, the new M package will give more power to the turbo 4, dealer does not know how much though, however i'm guessing 10-15hp more, kind of like the 330i with the ZPH package did.
 
Sween I doubt BWM dealers in your neck of the woods wont a regular 328i they want it with iDrive, wont happen until fall. The there are a couple of big markets for 3 series, So Florida, So Cal and Nor Cal, so I'm guess those markets and markets close to them will have first choice of cars.

#13071 of 16249 Re: "My" 2012 BMW 328i [qbrozen] by flightnurse

Feb 13, 2012 (8:26 am)

Replying to: qbrozen (Feb 10, 2012 9:00 am)
You are assuming too much, first off, I wasn't looking to buy a car the day I bought mine, however, the offer was presented to me, thought about it, retested the car, liked it, and bought it. I didn't sit and haggle with them at all, the price was written on a piece of paper, and was explained about the "experiment" he (the GM) tried, it failed, and he wanted to move the car, he was losing money on the car. I figured he would make up the difference he lost on the car from others who purchased cars. 2 weeks after buying the car, I went back to the dealership and purchased the extra 2 yr 50K extended warranty (bumper to bumper.) So when I sell my car, I know I should get the price I want. My cars are kept in pristine condition, and all service work done to them. So please save your arm chair quarter backing for your friends and co-workers.

#13072 of 16249 Re: qbrozen & dino [dino001] by nyccarguy

Feb 13, 2012 (8:28 am)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 10, 2012 12:12 pm)
I completely understand your liking the 328xit over the STi for its refinement & other aspects you mentioned. A 328 isn't blazing fast, but has no trouble getting up to speed & will cruise all day long on the right side of the 80 mph hash mark.
 
The STi has always been a screaming performer, but at the end of the day it is still an almost $40K car.

#13073 of 16249 Re: "My" 2012 BMW 328i [flightnurse] by qbrozen

Feb 13, 2012 (8:29 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 13, 2012 8:26 am)
LOL

#13074 of 16249 Re: "My" 2012 BMW 328i [flightnurse] by dino001

Feb 13, 2012 (9:01 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 13, 2012 8:26 am)
All I can say good luck - I really hope you can get it. Send us a report fours years from now, would you?

#13075 of 16249 Re: qbrozen & dino [nyccarguy] by dino001

Feb 13, 2012 (9:12 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Feb 13, 2012 8:28 am)
Small correction - mine does not have "x" (it's a RWD - so yes I switched from AWD to RWD). They also stopped adding "t" in wagons (stands for "touring"), but it would still apply if they had .
 
Anyway, I love it. It is all I wanted - no more, no less. I only have two complaints - dashboard looks like it is 15 years old, designwise, and the cupholders/armrest storage really suck. I think of BMW design process like this: they develop/refine engines and transmissions for 4 years, they obsess about new/improved suspension and steering for 2 years, exterior styling takes them about 10 months, then two weeks before the premier Hans just realized they forgot about the instrument cluster (again ) - so they pull one from the previous generation (which was used in one before that), slightly change fonts and send it to the marketing department...

#13076 of 16249 Re: "My" 2012 BMW 328i [graphicguy] by dino001

Feb 13, 2012 (9:34 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 13, 2012 8:07 am)
That said, $47K for a 328i is a ton of money. I can buy a 335i for less than that.
 
Yeah, but then you don't get a few things. My wagon was $46.5K MSRP. It took sports, premium, convenience and Nav. I guess you don't really need Nav and half of the convenience (HID is a must, but keyless start or rear sunshades are not). I would not get one without premium and sports, if not just for seats. If those seats were sold separately, I'd get them and could live with all-season rubber, on standard rims., normal suspension and speed limit at 130 (although I got it to 138 mph on German autobahn, but well )
 
What's funny is realization than when compared with sedan, the wagon is actually cheaper, even though it starts higher. Sedan doesn't have standard fold down seats ($500, which is absolutely ridiculous - what's worse I noticed dealers actually don't order them - can only imagine surprise on somebody's face first time they try to fold seats ), is also has no sunroof (which I understand tall people may actually prefer not to have). What's more, the wagon's sunroof is "panoramic" (about half longer, because it can fold under longer roof) - absolutely awesome, puts every time I reach for the button.
 
Wonder if the new 328i has still fold-down seats optional.

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