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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12933 of 16984 Re: So Wrong [fedlawman]
Jan 08, 2012 (1:47 am)
Yup. It's a friend's 2012. Sapphire Black Metallic/Black Leather. He put the black BMW grill, and had the stock wheels powder coated. He also had all the chrome trim on the truck powder coated. He left all the Roundels blue & the /// stripes on the M badge in color. It is one of the most unique looking X5s I've ever seen. He's on his 2nd. His 1st was a 2010 X5 ///M in Silverstone/Black.
#12934 of 16984 Re: So Wrong [nyccarguy]
Jan 08, 2012 (7:59 am)
It does look good.
Must be nice to be able to buy a new X5 M every 2 years...
#12935 of 16984 Re: BMW F30 [markcincinnati]
Jan 09, 2012 (7:56 am)
Just to expand on this a bit, AWD hampers performance IN SOME WAYS (more weight will always do that), but gains in back in others. The SCCA, at least, acknowledges that AWD is an overall performance benefit, thereby putting the 227-hp WRX in the same class as the 300-hp 135i, and the 165-hp Impreza in the same class as the GTI, Civic Si, and V6 Genesis Coupe.
#12936 of 16984 Re: BMW F30 [sweendogy]
Jan 09, 2012 (8:21 am)
Sweeny the price of the car should not determine how fast it goes. If this was the case then the MB E350 Blue-Tech shouldn't be produce. BTW, the Lexus LS600 should be a fast car since its north of $125K... However there are other cars that are faster for less money.
Jan 09, 2012 (8:23 am)
damn you beat me to it, yes, I liked the article, I was worried about the Elec steering however its not much of an issue.. Can't wait for a full report though..
#12938 of 16984 Re: BMW F30 [qbrozen]
Jan 09, 2012 (8:25 am)
Audi cleaned up in racing in the 80s with the AWD cars they raced.... Such a hamper of performance.....
#12939 of 16984 Acura big announcement soon.
Jan 09, 2012 (9:40 am)
Flight...Ok thanks - I understand that that is why I also mentioned in prev posts the mpg advantage - but I'm sorry 10 seconds for a sedan in the 30k range is slow- but that being said I'm sure it has plenty of midrange grunt.
FYI in less then 2 hrs Acura has a big announcement at the auto show in Detroit
Jan 09, 2012 (10:33 am)
Ok all my friends out there who track their cars on a regular basis or have driven cars on a track. I understand the basic idea of why RWD rocks (especially on the track). The front wheels steer the car while the rear wheels drive the car. RWD is lighter and less complex. You can oversteer the car if you want to.
How does the AWD car have such an advantage if it is heavier and has a tendency to understeer (although not as much as a FWD car)? I also know there are different types of AWD systems out there. BMW's X Drive is RWD based, Subaru's Symmetrical AWD (50/50 Split with a WRX Manual Transmission), Audi has 2 types of quattro (50/50 & the Rear Biased in their performance models).
#12941 of 16984 Re: RWD vs. AWD [nyccarguy]
Jan 09, 2012 (10:52 am)
This is a conversation that can only go down the wrong path. Tracking/racing the car is one thing, street driving is another.
The only reason I have AWD is I don't have to put on snows, and if I need snows, I'll put em on four wheels. The rest of the supposed benefits or disadvantages I don't really care about, because I'm not racing my daily driver. I'm trying to get back and forth to work safely.
#12942 of 16984 Re: RWD vs. AWD [kdshapiro]
Jan 09, 2012 (10:59 am)
My question is specifically for tracking/racing, not street driving a daily driver.
Not trying to start a RWD vs. AWD war.