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You are in the Sedans
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12852 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G [tlong]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:33 pm)
wow google is something-- nice work -my favorite line is "You stick to thinking that your mad horzepowerz yo! is where it's at. All I gotta say is, I regret not test driving a 328 before I got my G37."
good research= does it say anything about the price spread?? any comments on the c350 we were speaking or are you just coming to your boys back with comparisions on cars we are not talking about--
i love the 335== infact im looking for a 2010 335 6 speed with low miles, m package and x drive to replace my g- dont want to buy new because they are way overpriced but can justify used- tell your buddy, yo..
#12853 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G [sweendogy]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:37 pm)
Google is great, yo!!!!
#12854 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G [tlong]
Dec 31, 2011 (10:31 pm)
Your welcome- yahoo is new 2 -love helping your boy but he's out of bullets - keep distracting the agrument it's great. Anyone who Wants to bring the Newley resigned c350 into a comparison vs a g37 I'm ready - bring friends like tlong - quite car lovers no matter the price
Dec 31, 2011 (10:35 pm)
MB and BMW are more expensive for comparable equipment. One could carefuly option those to get somewhat close to G or TL, as long as they can let go some of those luxuries.
However, one of my biggest complaints is 3-seres and C-series having fold-down seat optional (except 328 wagon). There is really no excuse for that - 12K Kia and Hyundai have it standard - there is no excuse. It's all about hitting some arbitrary limit for advertising "starting at..." BS. I know, I have 328 - fortunately it's a wagon, so it has folding seats and sunroof standard, but sedan does not. What makes it worse, I see dealers actually ordering those without folding seats in large numbers. I can only imagine a brand new owner of 50K 335 trying to fold his/her seats and discovering the car doesn't have it.
On many other options, I'm more agnostic - there are merrits to both approaches (bundling and not bundling). I tend to want almost everything, but "experimental" stuff (like adaptive cruise control or variable speed steering), but bundling sports package with Nav is a little too much, even if I would order both anyway. To me it's OK to bundle related items in package, like all convenience, all tech, or all sports. But cross-bundling does sound a little like making a run on customer's wallet, even if some customers would take them both.
For value-oriented people probably nothing beats Acura - you get everything except Nav/technology. I like it, but it does have its limits - front wheel drive base version is one and that ugly nose . We still don't have it so bad here - you would have to see a price sheet on BMW in Europe - it's actually a book!!! Proverbial mirrors and steering wheel are optional. Of course, they also have three times as many engine versions, which creates many more permutations, but that's a different story entirely. Not to mention everything costs nearly twice as much (literally - $50K+ 335 would likely cost you almost 100 grand there).
#12856 of 16984 Re: A little OT [sweendogy]
Jan 01, 2012 (1:56 am)
FWIW, I don't have a personal stake or emotions tied to this discussion because I don't own any of the cars in this segment. Also, I can research (and maybe eventually purchase) a boring Passat or Subaru Outback for my wife without craving more excitement because I already own an honest sports car that gives me more driving and ownership pleasure than any car in this segment ever could.
M-B C350 Standard features missing on the G37 Journey:
*Sport suspension with electronic control adaptive dampers
*Adaptive brakes with predictive brake priming, auto brake drying, and hill start assist
*14 way power driver seat with power lumbar adjust
*Power steering column
*Driver memory with settings for seat, mirrors, and steering column
*Auto dim rearview and driver outside mirror
*Wood trim accents
*Rain sensing automatic wipers
*Split-fold rear seats
*Harman Kardan Logic 7 450 Watt audio
*9 airbags including pelvis and knee airbags
*Attention Assist to detect driver drowsiness
G37 Journey standard features missing on the C350:
*Free metallic paint
Please let me know if I've missed anything...
So, my assertion that the G37 lacks quite a few features seems to be valid. But more importantly, did you notice that most of the C350 features are performance or safety related while the G37 features are basically fluff? But to even things up as accurately as possible, let's load them both up as closely as we can...
So, a C350 with added Xenon headlamps, leather seats, Navigation, metallic paint, 18" wheels, and Keyless Start costs $46,440.
Now, a G37 Journey with wood trim, Premium Package, Navigation Package, and Sport Package costs $45,045.
It looks like the Mercedes is $1400 more expensive than the G37.
But the G37 still lacks electronic adaptive suspension, adaptive brakes, and attention assist. Also missing are headlights with adaptive highbeams, curve assist and headlamp washers, split-fold rear seats, knee and pelvis airbags, and rain-sensing wipers.
The C350 lacks DVD playback, Zagat Restaurant Guide, aluminum pedals, magnesium shift paddles, and a Viscous Limited Slip.
Draw your own conclusions - I'm exhausted...
#12857 of 16984 Re: A little OT [fedlawman]
Jan 01, 2012 (3:41 am)
I discovered an error in my research. I'm not sure what I did, but the above described C350 actually costs $48,190, not $46,440. (Edit: the $1750 leather seats didn't get added in)
I also just noticed that when I added the wood trim to the G37, it automatically added the $1200 Technology Package, which includes rain-sensing wipers and pre-crash seatbelts. Since these are standard features on the C350, this doesn't change the math in my previous post.
The increase in the price of the C350 raises the gap between the Merc and Infiniti up to about $3150.
However, something else occurred to me...
Take the well equipped C350 described above and remove the metallic paint ($720), 18" wheels ($1040), and leather interior ($1750) - options which affect appearance only (barely, if at all) and have no effect on performance, comfort, safety, or functionality.
The same C350 now costs $44,680 - a savings of $3500!
Now do the same thing with the above described G37 and remove the wood trim...oh wait, the Technology Package requires the wood trim. OK, lets remove the 18" wheels...nope, they're part of the Sport Package that includes the upgraded suspension. Leather seats are standard, so that's not an option. OK, I hate to lose it, but what about the moonroof? Sorry, it's part of the Premium Package which includes driver memory settings and Bose premium audio.
The C350 now costs $350 less than the G37. Bundles =
#12858 of 16984 Re: A little OT [fedlawman]
Jan 01, 2012 (6:11 am)
What honest sports car do you own?
Nothing wrong with outback - crocodile Dundee drive one for years.
#12860 of 16984 Re: A little OT [sweendogy]
Jan 01, 2012 (9:21 am)
What trim level and options does your G37 have?
#12861 of 16984 Re: A little OT [fedlawman]
Jan 01, 2012 (10:08 am)
Very nice Fedlawman.. I have wanted to get up your way and play on the racetrack. It reminds me of Sears Point errr Infineon Raceway... Does your baby have the 2.3l 4 cyl or a 6 cyl ?