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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12845 of 16984 Re: A little OT [sweendogy]
Dec 31, 2011 (8:08 pm)
I optioned both cars the way YOU listed in your post (#12838):
"Price out that nice c350 and see how much it comes out to with leather, a sunroof and 18inxhers."
I then explained that I don't like leather seating or 18" wheels and that the Mercedes I would personally order costs $41,450.
So, how is it on me that Infiniti bundles key features within bloated and overpriced packages? They do it on purpose to FORCE the consumer to spend thousands extra on stuff they don't want. Do you think it's an accident that in order to get the Sport Package, you also have to order the Navigation Package? That's $4000 for a laundry list of stuff you probably don't need and wouldn't have ordered, but you have to swallow it if you want your G37 to handle and stop a little better.
So, if I were to buy a G37, I would have to pass on the Sport Package and simply get the Journey + Premium Package for $39,245. That's only $2000 less than the Mercedes. Every buyer has different priorities, so the numbers might be different for others, but for me, the value of the G37 (which is it's strongest asset) has been significantly diminished.
So how did this happen? Mercedes offers the C350 with sport suspension and moonroof standard, and offers the leather and 18" wheels a la carte. This serves the customer - if the customer doesn't want leather or 18" wheels, they don't have to buy them. Yes, if you want metallic paint on a European car, you have to pay for it, but at least you don't have to order the Shiatsu Massage and Curb Feeler Packages to get it.
And enough with the annoying "left lane" remark. In this era of 300 hp family cars and 400 hp pony cars, 328 hp is nothing to brag about. If you really spend that much time in the left lane, I hope you have the decency to check your rearview mirror often.
#12846 of 16984 Re: A little OT [fedlawman]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:06 pm)
guess im in the spin zone.. only 2k less- well yes lawman-(after you option them out the way you want it,)- its 2k less but again i guess i get the leather, the standard keyless start and yes the 700 paint job for free as well-- do i guess the spread is a little more then the 2k you speak of=- o wait i also get xenon lights which are standard on most as well.. please spare me on the ala cart stuff as if you add them up - you want leather well that will cost you, you forgot your previous arguement when you said the G fails to give standard features -- you want paint, you want leather, you want keyless start..your value being diminished is a joke- dollar for dollar-- its 7k in savings as equiped-- hello - thats some decent coin. The other thing you failed to mentioned is trying to find a MB as you want it with leatherette and no options-- good luck-- if you order one you will be paying msrp because you will have to order one.. please do homework because you are in a fight you cant win.. and your aggrument is strongly diminished..
The asian car companies "force" packages on you because it makes production easier-- and in doing so can offer a 328hp car for less.
I would rather you argue the VW passat vs the G25 then this -- please provide true $ for $ - or you will be called out and lose.
ive seen you in the rear mirror a couple of times-- this time on this topic--continue to take vw passat as this topic will pass in 2012.. have a happy new year.
#12847 of 16984 Re: A little OT [sweendogy]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:01 pm)
I would rather you argue the VW passat vs the G25 then this
Is the G25 engine harsh, too, or is it more refined than the G37? Isn't the 25 a four-banger?
#12848 of 16984 Re: A little OT [tlong]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:07 pm)
just came out- check it out
#12849 of 16984 Re: A little OT [sweendogy]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:13 pm)
just came out- check it out
I did that. It's a six and I found this posting when googling "G25 NVH":
"Well I have to say this is a bit disappointing.
I was hoping for a "G30" with a VQ30DD or something, but instead we get a VQ25 that's down a bit on power and still has NVH issues?"
Thanks for the help sweeney!
#12850 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G
Dec 31, 2011 (9:18 pm)
I also found this interesting post courtesy Google:
"In almost every comparison test where there has been a G35 tested against the E46 3 series, it has lost. You stick to thinking that your mad horzepowerz yo! is where it's at. All I gotta say is, I regret not test driving a 328 before I got my G37. I test drove the 335, and that car was utterly amazing, but for an extra 12k more, I decided to stick with the Infiniti. I got my bike for my speed fix. And that is what I should have thought about when I was buying the car. I thought the 328 would be disappointing after the 335 and the G37, but I was wrong. I test drove one a year after I got my G37 and the car drives amazing. The engine feels a million times smoother than the VQ and the throttle is not as abrupt. The clutch is a million times better. It absorbs bumps and imperfections on the road better as well. Other than the obvious lack of horsepower, which any adult really would not miss nor exploit on regular roads, the BMW, in any range of the 3 series, is a dynamically better car.
Every time a comparison is done, same complaints come up for the Infinitis....too much NVH from the engine, disconnected steering, non linear braking, poor clutch engagement...and what do they do every year? Up the horsepower....go figure.
And they do aim it at a certain audience that buys into it that believes that horsepower matter more than anything else."
#12851 of 16984 Re: A little OT [tlong]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:20 pm)
NP -- my guess is they "dumbed" it down for people who are looking for quieter engines and proper cupholders= prob in your wheelhouse then
#12852 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G [tlong]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:33 pm)
wow google is something-- nice work -my favorite line is "You stick to thinking that your mad horzepowerz yo! is where it's at. All I gotta say is, I regret not test driving a 328 before I got my G37."
good research= does it say anything about the price spread?? any comments on the c350 we were speaking or are you just coming to your boys back with comparisions on cars we are not talking about--
i love the 335== infact im looking for a 2010 335 6 speed with low miles, m package and x drive to replace my g- dont want to buy new because they are way overpriced but can justify used- tell your buddy, yo..
#12853 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G [sweendogy]
Dec 31, 2011 (9:37 pm)
Google is great, yo!!!!
#12854 of 16984 Re: BMW vs. Infiniti G [tlong]
Dec 31, 2011 (10:31 pm)
Your welcome- yahoo is new 2 -love helping your boy but he's out of bullets - keep distracting the agrument it's great. Anyone who Wants to bring the Newley resigned c350 into a comparison vs a g37 I'm ready - bring friends like tlong - quite car lovers no matter the price