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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12722 of 16982 Re: The Great (Acura) TSX Debate [billyperksii]
Dec 22, 2011 (7:37 am)
In my garage are two cars, one Acura and one Infiniti. For over twenty years that would have read two Audis; then for six years that read one Audi and one BMW.
My wife and I have had twenty-nine Audis, three BMW's and two VW's.
Prying German cars out of our hands was a major accomplishment for the two Japanese mfgrs noted above in the first sentence.
The latest news on Infiniti products pertains to the new JX crossover. But if you are an enthusiast this vehicle will hardly light your candle. FWD bias, CVT transmission and a sub-300 hp 3.5L V6. Although the vehicle impresses visually (and yes I'll grant that is subjective) and has gobs of passenger room, it strikes me as Infiniti's Acadia. Yawn.
I have been searching for an update to the "aging" (my words) G line, but have found nothing that even smells like a future product direction. I would hope, however, that the G grows in width to, say, A4 dimensions. It strikes me as a bit odd that the TL from Acura has a shorter wheelbase than either the A4 or the G37, but only the G feels cramped inside. If I can sit in the driver's seat and reach across to the passenger's window, I feel the vehicle is too narrow (for its length) in the ELLPS class. The A4 has grown in wheelbase, length and width (with a slight increase in legroom), as has the upcoming BMW 3 -- and the TL is damn near 5 series or A6 size. The G, for me, makes me feel like a bug.
When I get behind the wheel of a G, I feel like I did the first time I got into a Ford Econoline van, I mean I feel like I am sitting on the front bumper.
Now, the Infiniti in my garage is a 2011 FX35 Premium in black gloss with a java interior. I feel like I am piloting the hulk when I drive it. It feels big, powerful, broad shouldered and nimble all at the same time. I also got that feeling from my many test drives of an M37X. I would have had an M were it not for the requirement to buy a $3,000 option package just to get blind spot warning.
I would suspect little will change for a few more years in the M's, since they are only 2 MY old. The corporate grill that has been added to the FX's makes me believe that the FX line will be refreshed perhaps in '13 or '14 MY. And, I assume the G's are due for a refresh in less than or equal to 24 months.
Driving Audis, BMWs and Infinitis, I can tell you that the phrase Japanese BMW is an appropriate descriptive term for Infiniti. Infiniti seems to be striving for that certain something that makes a BMW stand out.
Acura, based on my limited experience with the brand, on the other hand, seems to be -- sort of, kind of, er, a little bit like -- the Japanese Audi (from a few years ago) in that they don't hide their Honda-ness any better than Audi used to hide its VW parentage. If Acura were to ditch the Honda "tells" ASAP and make the Acura brand "stand alone" (as Audi has done from VW), they would be making great strides in establishing some kind of unique brand identity (which is largely lacking, currently.)
Of course, it also wouldn't hurt one little bit if Acura would hire a designer or three away from one of the companies that make real purty 'sheens.
Hardly the "latest news" since it is difficult to get news out of Infiniti from any reliable source, but, that's it!
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc.
Drive it like you live.
#12723 of 16982 Bloating & Styling
Dec 22, 2011 (8:04 am)
Styling is a matter of opinion. I happen to LOVE the styling of the E60 5 series which so many detest. I do however want to talk about how the TSX is "bloated."
According to edmunds.com
2008 Acura TSX w/ tech pkg & 5 speed automatic weighs 3356 lbs & is 183.5" long.
2011 Acura TSX w/ tech pkg & 5 speed automatic weighs 3470 lbs & is 185.6" long.
Acura added a whopping 114 lbs & 2.1" to the TSX.
While we are on the subject of size, a G37X (according to infinitiusa.com) weighs 3822 lbs & is 187.9" long.
#12724 of 16982 Re: The Great (Acura) TSX Debate [nyccarguy]
Dec 22, 2011 (8:15 am)
The turbo 4 in the RDX is a high pressure turbo, this is one reason why it doesn't get good mileage. I'm saying the engine should be a low pressure turbo engine, direct injection. This would give more power, more torque and better MPG. This would transform the TSX into a more lively car to drive.
#12725 of 16982 Re: ELLPS - IS350 [sweendogy]
Dec 22, 2011 (8:51 am)
Not all races are won in a straight line, and yes the IS350 is faster, however any BMW 3 series with the M Sport Package is a far better handling car. Currently BMW is not producing any Manuel 3 series cars (except M3.) For me the IS250/350 is a nice car, too small for me, and the rear seat is too cramped to have anyone then a kid back there.
#12726 of 16982 Re: The Great (Acura) TSX Debate [markcincinnati]
Dec 22, 2011 (9:04 am)
Mark, why do you start all of your post with, I have owned 29 Audi's? I mean, who cares... You do not need to restate how many cars you have owned in the past, we get it, you have owned a lot of Audi's....
#12727 of 16982 No manual 3s ? Re: ELLPS - IS350 [flightnurse]
Dec 22, 2011 (9:09 am)
'Currently BMW is not producing any Manuel 3 series cars (except M3.) '
Build Your Own [ still ] shows a the M6 as standard here:
2012 335is Coupe Standard Features
Performance and efficiency
• 3.0-liter dual overhead cam (DOHC), 24-valve inline turbocharged 320-horsepower 6-cylinder engine with TwinPower Turbo technology and Double-VANOS steplessly variable valve timing
• Electronic throttle control
• 6-speed manual transmission
... for one example . . .
Drives an M-Sport 3... but with DCT
#12728 of 16982 Re: The Great (Acura) TSX Debate [billyperksii]
Dec 22, 2011 (9:12 am)
billy your joking right??
1) infiniti G was the class leader in hp when they redid it in 07.. 2 years later they blow out another 30 hp into the engine- they have added a sport package in 08 , new coupe they added in 08 - a convertable in 09, a cheaper G25 (which i hate) plus now the IS line - thats just the G we are talking about--lets not forget about adding the 7 speed transmission in 09 which acura just added a new transmission this year ... Infiniti made a gamble with the G and it turned out - Please look at acura sales numbers and tell me again they are not struggling.. Again they sold less TL's the year they changed the body then the year before.
2) no idea what your talking about- i think we can all agree why cars are offered with incentives
3) My loaner comment was based on the fact it was a V6 TSX. not a TSX.
4) you can use google to find out what car companies are going with products- I know infiniti had gone to bed with MB on an engine which might be in the next G and that worries me.. another thing is the new truck thats coming is a FWD platform which again worries me. I think if infiniti wants to keep its traction is going to have to release a car in the next 2 years as BMW is going live on a new 3 for 2012..
#12729 of 16982 Re: The Great (Acura) TSX Debate [flightnurse]
Dec 22, 2011 (9:38 am)
Point of reference. From time to time, I read one poster's statement -- usually negative -- pertaining to a car or brand. Several posts later another poster challenges what the original poster said and asks if the original poster owns or has ever extensively driven the vehicle that is being trashed. Often the original poster will own up to not actually having any real hands on experience with the object of his or her ire.
I may comment on a Lexus or a Volvo -- but I would be a poser; I have test driven the S60 twice, I have not driven a Lexus of any flavor, but I have been a passenger a few times in the largest Lexus on the market (LS?)
New names appear all the time on this and the other places I post -- I can't keep up with who is a new and who is an old participant.
When I read posts that make what are presented as facts (or near-facts), I determine their veracity based on the poster's frame of reference.
Every post does not need to establish "your" background -- but, from time to time, refreshing the reader's memory as to where you are coming from, increases my interest in and the value of your post's point.
Finally, in my experience, revealing something about your ownership history, will also tend to suggest how your thoughts might be weighted or biased.
I'll try to keep my re-posts of my auto ownership to a minimum. I am, however, certain, I will either make a statement or correct another's and be challenged (for instance on my "bias" for RWD biased AWD that employs torque vectoring, and, if possible, a TorSen differential.) After so many Audis and so many driving schools, I feel up to the task of arguing what, how and why in response to a factual irregularity that may be made on the subject.
I'll offer you my apology and, as I said, try to keep repeating my auto history to a minimum.
Dec 22, 2011 (10:04 am)
Have you ever driven a 2nd generation TSX?
#12731 of 16982 Re: The Great (Acura) TSX Debate [sweendogy]
Dec 22, 2011 (10:05 am)
All I am trying to say is enough with the Acura bashing, why not post about the car you own. If their balance sheets are struggling, sooner than later we will see dealerships starting to call it quits.
I have owned my TL 28 months to date and have never once gotten a negative re-mark. I have zero problems and it puts a smile and my face whenever I put in the twisties and punching it off a ramp.