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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Dec 17, 2011 (9:53 am)
im guilty of being honest and speaking the truth.
Above is an article about a man and his car- we all talk about current cars
belonging in the group, some very clear, others not so much- but its pretty
clear to me reading this blog and knowing the car he rides and talks of - this was one of the pioneers for this group- and to see what the brand has become over those 500k miles disheartens me. I remember once I got a license 16 years ago the car I wanted was a legend coupe 6 speed, with the souped up Type2? Engine.
I settled for a 89 maxima which in itself was a great car but not the
looker the Acura. My first new car was a 2000 Acura integra gs-r coupe-
redline was almost 9k Rpms and I took it to that level every day- loved the car and the service. After the 3 year lease it was time to get a 4 door, the
original TSX was on the short list and after long debate I bought a jetta gli-
200hp and at the time (2003) it had the vr6 and a 6 speed- it was a close call but price won out. After that day I have never stepped into another Acura dealership- the passion is lost- along with sales numbers. I'm still on acura's mailing list -the email lists exciting developments for the 2012 auto show- lets hope they finally deliver. sorry for long post.
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#12677 of 16984 Mark is a Legend. . .
Dec 17, 2011 (4:04 pm)
on several of these boards, particularly those associated with . . . wait for it, Audis.
He took a pretty significant sabbatical, but now appears to be back to his old ways. Why use 30 words when 300 will do? That said, the 300 will be carefully chosen and very well put together.
Welcome back, Mark.
Of course I'm pleased that he chose to bless the brand of car I picked last time with his attention. However, I'm at the bottom of the Acura food chain while he spends time much higher on the hog (if you'll pardon the very mixed metaphor). Many posts have been written to the effect that the TSX is something of Yugo in terms of its deserving to be discussed here. Oh well. . .
Funnily enough, I used to give him a lot of jazz about the substandard (at least perceived) reliability of Audis vs., well, just about anything else, but particularly Asian vehicles. That he and I share a brand at this point is well beyond surprising.
#12678 of 16984 Re: Mark is a Legend. . . [cdnpinhead]
Dec 18, 2011 (8:17 am)
Just goes to show you the ever changing fast world of ELLPS.
A few years ago I would never have dreamed about owning an Infiniti. After renting one for a week, I decided to buy one and forgo the 335.
SO I guess the more things change the more they stay the same!
#12679 of 16984 Re: real legend [sweendogy]
Dec 19, 2011 (7:02 am)
When Acrua came out they were the sport version of Honda, no doubt. Today that isn't true, even though they try and market the car that way.
I had (sheee no tell anyone) a Vigor GS when they came out, I only had it for 2 years. I had 1 Infiniti Q45 (second year of Infiniti) love it, too bad it too Infiniti so long to get back to their roots.
After my Vigor, I went to BMW, and haven't looked back.
#12680 of 16984 Re: real legend [flightnurse]
Dec 19, 2011 (7:28 am)
I wanted a Legend so badly when it first came out. And the 2nd gen Legend Coupe - still gorgeous even today.
When I was in college my girlfriend's dad had a Vigor. I thought it was very nice at the time too.
The TSX is very much like a modern day Vigor - only it performs better in every way.
It's not that Acura has lost it's way. The TSX, TL, RL were a very logical lineup for a near-luxury brand. Time has simply marched on and Acura hasn't kept up. They cannot use the Accord as a platform for their entire lineup any longer, and they cannot market any Civic-based car as an Acura.
A three-car lineup moved upmarket is what Acura needs to compete. Make the TL the entry-level sedan with a choice of engines (base car would be FWD 240 hp I-4 turbo from the RDX, top would be AWD with the 3.5L V-6). Next the RL should be a RWD and AWD 5/7 Series competitor (base engine the 3.5L V-6 and top engine a V-8). Finally, introduce a small RWD luxury-sports coupe/convertible (think M-B SLK or Lexus SC). Same engines as the Legend, but smaller and lighter.
#12681 of 16984 Re: real legend [fedlawman]
Dec 19, 2011 (7:38 am)
They need to work on their styling first. That's half the battle. I saw a new Acura TL coming and going with the beak/grimace fore and aft. It's ust cringeworthy. No one in that entire company had the nerve to tell them that it looks awful before it was released. Poor Honda.
#12682 of 16984 Re: real legend [fedlawman]
Dec 19, 2011 (7:57 am)
If Audi can its sell Golf-based A3, so could Acura sell Civic-based RSX, RIP. The problem is packaging and pricing. There has to be enough separation between the vehicles.
I think TL is a nice vehicle. Don't really care for its nose styling, but that can be fixed. Same with TSX. The problem is at the top - RL is on verge of being irrelevant. I have not seen one in months.
However, their main problem is the line - it's just too short. Their "all inclusive" approach is great for people looking for a good trade-up deal, but does not impress people with money looking to be awed. No coupe, no convertible, no buzz-creating (albeit not necessarily profitable) supercar, no exciting supersedan - that's a big problem for an aspiring luxury manufacturer. Too little choice - premium market likes choice. People with money like to be different from others. Even Lexus has long lines on different packages on their cars.
I think biggest problem for Acura is Honda'a accountants - they probably don't give them enough to develop a real luxury lineup. To understand why one has to look at Honda as a company, where automobiles are just a part of a much bigger structure, within which Acura is just a small line in corporate balance sheet.
#12683 of 16984 BMW 335 @ 3,000 miles
Dec 19, 2011 (8:28 am)
Noticed when filling the tank this AM,
I passed 3,000 miles over the weekend.
Enjoying every [s]mile.
Providing enjoyment [ at least ] commensurate with price paid.
Very happy customer.....
#12684 of 16984 Re: real legend [dino001]
Dec 19, 2011 (9:37 am)
"If Audi can its sell Golf-based A3, so could Acura sell Civic-based RSX, RIP."
I was actually thinking of the A3 as the perfect entry-level type car for Acura. However, the Civic is an economy car platform and will never have the refinement of the A3 - which, I believe, is really just a smaller previous-gen A4.
Acura's entry-level car needs to be built on the Accord platform - the Civic just cannot be a near-luxury car.